I don't want to start an argument here but I have installed Exchange 2003 in a pristine environment with and without WINS. 99% of time it failed without WINS.
Santhosh Santhosh Sivarajan MCSE(W2K3/W2K/NT4),MCSA(W2K3/W2K/MSG),CCNA,Network+ On 5/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am with you on that. Which is why I said my suggestion is not a replacement > for WINS. But, for the items under discussion, I can say "WINS? What WINS?" > > Remember our discussion about devolution and DNS Suffixes a while back? This > is where the concept comes into play. A process is asked to look for, say, > "Rick", where no WINS exists. It says to itself "Rick is not qualified [1], > so let me see what I have in my suffix list". It sees "Akomolafe.who, > Kingslan.what, anyone.no" - in that order. It immediately devolves the lookup > to "Rick.akomolafe.who". Since "akomolafe.who" has no record of a Rick, the > process moves on and devolves to "Rick.Kingslan.what" and gets a hit. Some > milliseconds added to the lookup, yes, but it found the record anyway. > > Would WINS have helped? Certainly, IF there is a replication of WINS records > between the domains in question. If there is no replication, then ..... > > [1] I know you are qualified, Rick. That was just a figure of speech ;) > > Sincerely, > > D�j� Ak�m�l�f�, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.readymaids.com - we know IT > www.akomolafe.com > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick Kingslan > Sent: Tue 5/31/2005 7:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question > > > > But, my experiments have shown that though you might be able to get rid of > WINS for Exchange purposes, the Office team hasn't quite grown past its use. > > Outlook (including 2003) has a bit of a hard time finding its mailbox if > WINS is not active (or, at least an LMHosts file in place). > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question > > >>>> Exchange also is relies on WINS name resolution. You cannot install > Exchange without WINS name resolution. > > If you mean in a multi-domain environment, yes but....... > > You don't need WINS per se. With appropriate DNS suffixes, you can overcome > the NetBIOS resolution limitations that necessitates the WINS requirement. I > am not saying don't use WINS or that you can get rid of WINS easily. I am > just saying that for purposes like these (Exchange install in a multi-domain > environ, or trust establishment, etc), it is not a necessity IF you do the > necessary home-work. > > > Sincerely, > > D�j� Ak�m�l�f�, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.readymaids.com - we know IT > www.akomolafe.com > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Santhosh Sivarajan > Sent: Tue 5/31/2005 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question > > > > Deji, > > I completely understand your point but from my experience, if you > don't have NetBIOS name resolution you cannot establish a trust. > Also, you need to make sure all the required ports are open between > two Domains. > (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;179442) > > Exchange also is relies on WINS name resolution. You cannot install > Exchange without WINS name resolution. > > HTH > Santhosh > > Santhosh Sivarajan > MCSE(W2K3/W2K/NT4),MCSA(W2K3/W2K/MSG),CCNA,Network+ > Houston, TX > > > On 5/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Santhosh, I don't understand the significance of WINS here, as opposed to > > getting DNS resolution properly working. Since he's on W2K3, wouldn't it > be > > better that he uses a stub of each domain on the other side of the trust > (or > > even cond fwding for that matter)? Just curious. > > > > On a similar note, I've noticed that the trust process (and other > processes, > > like Exchange Server Migration in ADMT) uses NetBIOS lookup instead of > doing > > an FQDN lookup. One way I do this is to simply create an A record in MY > zone > > for the DC on the other side. By creating the A record, the query will > simply > > get handed the record for that DC. This works IF the name of the DC on the > > other side is not the same as the name of any of the DC in MY domain. Let > me > > explain with an example. > > > > MYDomain wants to trust YOURDomain. YourDomain has a DC called YourDC. > During > > the trust establishment process, I see a query for YourDC, which of course > > does not exist in MyDomain, and because YourDomain is also not on my > suffix, > > no record is located. > > > > So, I create an A record for YourDC and give it the true IP of YourDC. So, > > now the process goes and query for YourDC (instead of YourDC.YourDomain), > it > > gets resolved to the YourDC that is located in MyDomain, which happens to > be > > the same as YourDC.YourDomain. > > > > > > Deji > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Santhosh Sivarajan > > Sent: Tue 5/31/2005 2:07 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question > > > > > > > > I don't think you have to do anything with your _msdcs zone. You have > > to have WINS name resolution in-order to configure the trust. What is > > your WINS configuration? Can you ping both Domain DCs using NetBIOS > > and FQDN? > > > > HTH > > Santhosh > > > > Santhosh Sivarajan > > MCSE(W2K3/W2K/NT4),MCSA(W2K3/W2K/MSG),CCNA,Network+ > > Houston, TX > > > > > > On 5/31/05, Rimmerman, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > We upgraded our Win2k AD domain to Win2k3 a few months ago. Now I'm > > > attempting to set up a two-way trust with an outside Win2k3 domain, and > > > I found out that _msdcs.company.com in the Win2k3 domain is at the same > > > level as the company.com zone. So I found out this means that they > > > build this as a Win2k3 domain rather than upgrading from Win2k. > > > > > > I found http://support.microsoft.com/?id=817470 on how to reconfigure an > > > _msdcs subdomain to a forest-wide DNS application directory partition > > > when you upgrade from Win2k to Win2k3, but we haven't done that (didn't > > > know about it until just now). > > > > > > Question is - I want to set up a two-way trust with this win2k3 domain, > > > but when I set them up as a secondary zone in our empty root domain, we > > > didn't get the _msdcs data since it's just a grey reference folder > > > rather than actual data. > > > > > > How do I get the two-way trust working? 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