You should see when us "real" IT folks do these tasks ever opening a GUI. Pretty scary stuff.
Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) Trust me... it's a religious thing :-) Those of us that have the religion of SBS don't see a problem with the wizards .:-) We're looking to start a support group for former Enterprise Admins who are now SBSers <http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2005/07/27/59808.aspx> http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2005/07/27/59808.aspx I'll be honest with you ... the first time I set up 'normal' server and 'normal' exchange I was extremely surprised how much manual stuff you guys do in big server land. Forestprep and all that. The next thing I was absolutely flabergasted about was how they trust you on the number of cals. 'You just stick in a number there? And they trust you to be honest? Wow." Blew me away. Actually it's near impossible to get WSS [sharepoint] on a same box as Exchange anyway. There are a couple of folks that tried and finally gave up. Roger Seielstad wrote: >Actually, I don't think it's a religious issue. The problem with SBS is that >its not really the amalgam of Microsoft technologies that it's billed as, >and as such you can't administer it as you would with all the same apps in a >non-SBS implementation. > >It's a neat package overall, but the requirement to do the wizard thing >makes it hard for people like us to deal with it.. > > >-------- >Roger Seielstad >E-mail Geek >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:06 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) > >And that is a real difficulty. > >The wizards should integrate seamlessly. Or the other tools should integrate >seamlessly. Take your pick. > >I've got a couple of hundred client companies, probably 3 or 4 use SBS. >I HATE touching the SBS clients because it's a fair bet there is a wizard >for something that I'm not going to use a wizard for, because I can use one >of my scripts or a native tool and do it quicker. (You can argue that >someone that knows the wizards can do it more quickly with them -- and >that's fine -- but I don't, and shouldn't have to.) > >It's a religious issue. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA >aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] >Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:19 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) > >Difficulty? > ><cough cough> > >What difficulty? [please feel free to take this offline] the only difficult >issues we have in SBSland is cleaning up the messes from folks that don't >follow the wizards.... > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>Thanks! This must be SBS Week. Was at a user's group meeting last >> >> >night and the topic came up again. (Main topic was R2) Sounds like >Microsoft is getting the message about the difficulty of working with SBS. > > >>Al Maurer >>Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services IT | Information >>Technology Agilent Technologies >>(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639 >>http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com >>---------------------------------------------- >>"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war" - Anthony, in Julius >> >> >Caesar III i. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, >> >> > > > >>CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:57 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS migration (was SBS Server Question) >> >>Transition pack or www.sbsmigration.com >> >>Transition pack is the best way however lets you keep the Remote web >>workplace and monitoring email even after you break away from SBSland. >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>OK, since the topic came up: I'm trying to figure out how to migrate >>> >>> >off SBS2003. > > >>>Scenario is a recent acquisition where we want to migrate from company >>> >>> >SBS to corporate AD (standard 2003 domain). Trusts are out. Hack is both >dangerous and illegal. > > >>>MS offers a Transition Pack (for a cost) to upgrade the SBS2003 to >>> >>> >normal AD. Is there any other way? LDIF export? > > >>>Thanks, >>>AL >>> >>>Al Maurer >>>Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services IT | Information >>>Technology Agilent Technologies >>>(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639 >>>http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com >>>---------------------------------------------- >>>"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war" - Anthony, in Julius >>> >>> >Caesar III i. > > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan >>>Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] >>>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:06 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question >>> >>>Nope. No trusts, no forests. We're the spoiled only PDC that must >>>hold all the FSMO roles. We can do some funky stuff with pass through >>> >>> > > > >>>authentication, but no trusts. >>> >>>US versus THEM: >>>http://www.sbslinks.com/Us_v_them.htm >>> >>>In SBS 2000/2003 the 'correct' terminology is Yes, an 'additional >>>domain controller' is supported and not calling it a BDC. >>> >>>Member servers are covered by the SBS cals but last I read in the PUR >>>the additional DC would need server cals. [that's my interpretation >>>anyway but I get a headache reading that doc in the first place] >>> >>>Honestly ...keep in mind that with XPs, they will used cached >>>credentials and you can log into that profile even if the network is >>>down. Now comes the fun... who's doing the DHCP? The recommended way >>>is to have the SBS box to do that...so you still have fun. If the SBS >>> >>> > > > >>>box goes down, I normally have ways around the temporarily failure >>>[and even then I can count on one hand the time my network has been >>> >>> >affected.... > > >>>power mostly, then NICs, then switches, and one harddrive falling off >>>a RAID. Get good equipment [and honestly either reinstall those OEMs >>>and stay away from those preinstalled versions] and we do just fine. >>> >>> >>> >>>Medeiros, Jose wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Susan, >>>> >>>>Since we have an SBS MVP on the Active Dir list, let me ask a >>>> >>>> >question. > > >>>>Can I now make an SBS 2003 server a child domain in an AD 2003 >>>> >>>> >forest? > > >>>>Before you ask why, some one asked me this recently at a Linux users >>>> >>>> >group meeting, as his company has several remote offices using SBS 2003. > > >>>>Also on SBS 4.5, one could have a BDC as a backup, can this also be >>>> >>>> >done with a DC or are you " Sh.T out of luck " when a box fails? > > >>>>Jose >>>> >>>> >>>>List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >>>>List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >>>>List archive: >>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? >http://www.threatcode.com > >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: >http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
