joe is too kind...he's glossing over the bit where he kept saying "If that [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laura makes -one- -more- [EMAIL PROTECTED] grammar fix...". :-)
(And joe, if you do Theory of Computation, you may become my best friend during my next grad class. I fully expect to hire a tutor and just have the person move into my house for 16 weeks. :o)) On 10/14/05, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey I needed to maintain a certain quality.... > > Did you send something to Robbie to say you wanted to review it? In the end > we were begging for reviewers, I even took Dean as a reviewer and you know > the edge I had to be on for that.... He kept wanting to spell words wrong. > Eventually I just took out all references to the words color, humor, and > other or words. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > joe said: "Again, the reviewers did a fantastic job." > > Of which, you will all notice when the book comes out, I am _NOT_ one of > those reviewers..... > > joe said: "They kept me honest...." > > Which is one of the reason _WHY_ I was not one of those reviewers.... > > Rick > > P.S. Hey, joe.... :op > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > Not out yet, I am expecting Mid November or Early December. I sent an email > to see if I can find out. > > The book is NOT written in my voice, I tried as best as possible to maintain > the voice that was there. I simply revised it though I did add a Chapter on > ADAM and a chapter on some basic Exchange/AD Scripting. If you have the > first or second edition I think you will find this edition worthy of picking > up even if you don't have Windows Server 2003 SP1 or R2. I tried fleshing > out and changing anything I didn't feel was "right". Also the reviewers all > did a bangup job finding things I missed. I admit I didn't sleep much in > August or September. Tony may have noticed a lull in the list volume, me > working on that book saved at least 2 bazillion helpless bits from being > sacrificed. > > I learned that revising a book may actually be harder than writing a book > from scratch and you get paid less. Well maybe it is depending on if you > know what you want to write about. With revising you can't just write, you > have to read, reread, write, reread, write, reread, tweak, reread. When you > change the flow and feel and voice it is like hitting a brick wall when > reading. I am sure I didn't get rid of all of the bricks but I certainly > tried to knock the walls down to a point where you can step over them > without too much trouble. Anyway, I spent less time writing the ADAM chapter > than I spent updating the security chapter. I know now that I probably > should have just rewritten from scratch and it would have gone faster. Oh > well, live and learn or don't live long. > > Again, the reviewers did a fantastic job. They kept me honest when I tried > to skip over some stuff when I got tired and I thank them profusely. I tried > to do them justice in the small space provided to me for acknowledgements. > Those are the things people tend not to look at at the front of the book. I > do ask that if you pick up the book, you do look. Those, folks, deserve, > the: attention. > > > joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > joe, > "Active Directory Third Edition" > What is this? Where is it? > > RH > _________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > > I would not be surprised. I know this list has become quite popular and for > good reason. It is one of the few places where I learn things that I don't > stumble over myself. Many times I learn things when people make random > comments about their environment which kicks a realization in myself on how > something probably works in the backend. It is pretty cool. > > On the downside sounds like my total sales on Active Directory Third Edition > will be in the area of 2000 copies which isn't going to buy me a 100ft ocean > ready cruiser. ;o) > > Understood on posting the lurker list. On top of the spammers, I am sure > some lurkers would not be happy to be out-ed like that. I don't have an > issue with lurkers myself. In fact I would love to hear we have some 25000 > lurkers, it means a lot of people are getting a lot of good info. > > > > Everyone has to send me 25% of their income. It's only fair really. > > Does the postal service even deliver to NZ? > > > joe > > P.S. So now I am feeding everyone? No wonder my pantry is empty! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Murray > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > Well, if I told you we have around 1500 people subscribed in standard mode > and a couple of hundred subscribed in digest mode, would you be surprised? > :-) > > I could post the lurker list, but I don't really want spammers to get hold > of it. > > Personally, I have no problem with lurkers. And, hey, it's my list. :-) > > On the subject of money, I'm considering operating the list in the style > of a TV evangelist. Everyone has to send me 25% of their income. It's > only fair really. > > Tony > > PS. Joe, I've had no complaints about you to date. Why would people want > to bite the hand that feeds them? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 12:09 p.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > Oh just a joke, I don't think Tony would do it. Though I wouldn't mind Tony > occasionally posting the lurker list, I am curious as to how many people I > am getting mad at me any given day. :o) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Gilbert > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > Not to hijack this thread but, I hope lurking remains free. > > Dan > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, October 13, 2005 2:50 pm > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > I have found that shooting for your contract salary is as good a > > target as > any, but expect to miss unless you didn't get a very good contract rate. > I have only seen one case where a company was willing to pay contract level > fees to a FTE and that was back when I first got back into the industry (I > burned out on it back when I was about 21 or so and left it) and had been > completely screwed over by the contract house for my rate where they were > making at least as much as I was. When I said I was leaving the FTE offer I > received would have been a 60% raise from my previous salary. Unfortunately, > the new contract position I was taking was a 100%+ increase and with OT > (which you don't get as a FTE) ended up being a 200% increase. > > > > Anyway, you tend to take a considerable hit (I have seen reductions of > > > 20%-75% for FTE offers and all but one of which I turned down cold) > > but you try to make it up in benefits such as vaca, retirement, > > insurance, etc. As a contractor you tend to have a different mindset > > than as an FTE as well. As a contractor it is jump for the money and > > your mind should always be ready to make that jump. As FTE it seems > > people get in a rut and don't want to move once they start to get a > > feeling of ownership. Personally I wouldn't be an FTE but for a very > > small handful of companies where I really like and respect the > > management. My manager I have now is probably one of the best managers > > > in the universe, he is certainly the best I have had to this point in > > my "career" and I have had several good managers. He is the kind of > > guy that you love or hate, if you aren't above the curve, you hate > > him. But then I have often been described as the person you love or > > hate myself. I had one manager once say of me, "joe is the Bill > > Lambeer of IT, if he is on y > our team you feel great and you love him. If he isn't, you want to kill > him.". Another said "joe is worth his weight in gold and he ain't a small > guy...". After I heard that one I went and asked for a raise. > Somehow I failed. > > > > Every time I have negotiated with someone on any job I always just ask > > > up > front, so what salary or rate are you thinking. If the range is some > ridiculous range like $50k-$300k which headhunters like to do because they > think they are bright or something I tell the person they need to give a > more realistic range of somewhere within $10k and it better not be pumped up > with possible bonuses (Bonuses are not salary). If they can't or won't, > spend your time elsewhere. > > > > > > Keep in mind, whatever rate you ask for, make sure it covers sending > > gifts > of beer and chocolate and possibly money to the members of this list for > keeping your head above water. I don't think any single person has generated > such a volume in the number of questions asked since I have been watching > this list. It actually made me wonder at one point if Tony could somehow > arrange it so that people pay for every question asked and they get credit > for every answer given that people vote on and say is a good answer. If no > one can answer the question (note that isn't the same as the answer doesn't > work for someone for whatever localized reason) then full refund. > > > > joe > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:37 PM > > To: activedirectory > > Subject: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > > > > > > > well, i've been consulting for 2 months full time for a company and > > now they want to make me an offer to work for them(yeah,i'm amazed > > too..) > At first it was a head/senior AD position but now they want to throw in > Exchange in the mix. > > they used to outsource all their windows infrastructure and during my > tenure there, they took it back so they have no AD/Exchange people. > > > > This is a 3000 user finanical corp in Manhattan. > > > > my question is, what kind of salary would one expect for a such a > position, taking into account the bussiness and location and size. > > > > > > thanks > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > ######################################################################## > ##### > This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. 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