No sorry, just the normal someone trusted betrays the trust. I wasn't trying to intimate that any MS or NSA official can go in and type "Blue Cows jump over pink moons" and be magically in. I can't authoritatively say that that isn't in there, but I would tend to not lean towards a conspiracy theory there.
My thoughts on the subject are that if someone truly needs something locked down without fear of a break in that trust chain, I don't feel you are going to get it with the MS products alone. Obviously the number one goal is to get someone you can trust implicitely to always do the right thing for the company and protect it at all costs. Unfortunately it is getting harder and harder to get that as employees learn that they can't trust the companies to do the same and at the same time they are payed poorly until their jobs are shipped to some other country or eliminated entirely for profit increase. Combine that with the availability of info when some group of folks in a company do get screwed and they are willing to share the details. This has people looking out more and more for themselves. Depending on how they resolve that internal conflict based on how they were raised and what is going on in their life and how mistreated they have and a million other things, they may be ripe for corruption or not. Hey why not, screw the company before the company can screw you. In the last year, how many companies have dropped 10,000 or more people in layoffs and cuts? What impact does that have on the remaining workforce? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve patrick Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Encrypting shared folders I agree, just as someone with ample access to a DC can access data they should not have access to. Any CA should be as secure ( if not more ) than a DC. This is why there are actual hardware modules (HSM's) which use physical keys to access CA's. This is the same reason an offline root CA is locked away in a vault with no network access whatsoever. Those who do not take proper precautions on sensitive data will always have issues. I thought that Joe meant there was some other way to get at EFS in a domain based environment. Its a common belief there is some magic backdoor. There are issues with key management, I'll be the first to admit that. But to infer some level of insecurity based on vague statements .....I just wanted some clarification. steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Desmond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Encrypting shared folders Someone with ample access to an AD Integrated CA can issue themself a Recovery Agent cert which will decrypt EFS stuff that they don't already have access to. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of steve patrick Sent: Wed 1/25/2006 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Encrypting shared folders Interesting viewpoint Joe, Care to expand on this specific to EFS? steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Encrypting shared folders > One good need for this is to block out server admins from sensitive data > on > servers. In that case, it is probably best to get away from any MS tech > for > the protecting of the data due to the get out of jail cards that are inate > in most MS seurity mechanisms whether we are aware of them or not. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Encrypting shared folders > > I would ask first - 'why do you think you need to encrypt files, when they > can be protected using NTFS permissions?' > > To enter the land of PGP and/or EFS may imply the need for a PKI which is > a > huge undertaking. > > > neil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, > CPA > aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: 24 January 2006 17:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Encrypting shared folders > > Since there's more big server land people, can you indulge this question? > > What do you do for encrypting files up on a share? > > On standalone devices I use EFS or PGP.com but I've yet to deploy a > "ADaware" network solution. > > Susan > > -- > Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? > http://www.threatcode.com > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > > > PLEASE READ: The information contained in this email is confidential and > intended for the named recipient(s) only. 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