Sorry, I don't even like seeing a spreadsheet across one monitor or even
part of one monitor.

Dual monitors and RDP is fun. I have seen lots of real fun dorkups when I go
back to my dual display desktop after connecting to it with my laptop
through RDP. There would be windows that you could no longer pull up
anywhere on the desktop and I found that if you right clicked the task and
selected move you could bring them back and resize them (they would go to
minimum size and into the upper upper upper upper upper left corner of the
left monitor. 

I use the office apps only when I absolutely have to. Notepad is a good file
editor for me in many cases if I am documenting something for myself.


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience

For one of my power users in the office

Quad Matrox card from ebay $89 [retail $800 at the time]
4 matching flat panel montors.

You haven't lived until you've got a spreadsheet spreading across 4
monitors, gentlemen.

Now if TS/RDP could support dual monitors for remote display.. I'd be a
happy camper.


Brian Desmond wrote:

>I used to do three monitors a couple gigs ago where they let me spend
money. I had my two flat panels in front of me with whatever I was working
on, and then off in my peripheral vision I had a CRT which had the
monitoring system on it. It was great - I could pull stats or problems off
on monitor three or track a problem lifecycle there and keep working on
whatever the flavor of the hour was. Someone called that their printer
didn't work I could tell them from the snmp status that they'd find adding
paper to that tray helpful in two seconds and be back on task when I hung
up. 
> 
>Thanks,
>Brian Desmond
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>c - 312.731.3132
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe
>Sent: Wed 1/25/2006 9:08 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
>
>Yep the equipment comes in handy. I gave most of my machines to a couple of
my brothers once the virtualization software really became stable. They
thought they hit the jackpot. 
> 
>I always try to maintain 1600x1200 or better, even on laptops with smaller
screens. 
> 
>On the touching the screen thing, I can't do it. Fingerprints on a monitor
really irritate me. I wore contact lenses for years because I couldn't stand
glasses because they got smudges on them. When I was told I was destroying
my eyes from wearing contacts for 20+ years I went and got Lasik because I
still was unhappy about smudged glasses. I have little monitor cleaning pads
in my top right drawer. When I maintain an office and had people coming in
and out someone would always inevitably touch my screen to point at
something to help me find it. Right after they my cube I usually would pull
out the windex and paper towels. :o)
> 
>To bring this back around to tech... I love dual monitors, I don't know how
I get anything done without them especially when working on documentation.
It is easily worth the cost of a second monitor to set it up in terms of the
productivity gains, at least I feel that is so. I was talking to ~Eric once
and he was telling me he was using 3 monitors on a single system. That
rocks.
> 
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:16 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
>
>
>That's funny - and no wonder you do so much from home.  Hard to script or
code without a lot of real estate....
>
> 
>
>I often start touching my laptop screen after using a PDA or touchscreen
terminal for a while.  All laptop screens should be touchscreen.  Flat
panels too, for that matter.  I digress... 
>
>My main monitor is a 21" CRT because we don't have flat panels that big,
and I always run it at 1600x1200.  Same at home, but I do have a Dell 20" FP
at home, as well - but it only does 1200x1024 - what's the point?? :-)
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:00 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
> 
>
>My main desk that I was talking about has an XP home built P4 machine with
2x 21" Dell 2001FP Flat Panel monitors and I usually have either my HP
NC6000 work laptop or HP DVR8000Z on the desk next to the monitor and
keyboards (right now it is the DV8000Z running a memory exerciser). My
biggest complaint is that when I am working on the PC doing something on the
right monitor and I look at the laptop on the far right I move the mouse
from the right screen and hit the edge of the left screen and get confused
for a second when it doesn't make it to the laptop screen.
>
> 
>
>Other than that there is quite a bit of other hardware spread around the
house with 3 machines running ~1000GB of disk each (thanks to low disk
prices at Sam's club).
>
> 
>
>Electric bill usually runs about $130 a month. The Den has all heater vents
blocked and stays quite warm all by itself. 
>
> 
>
>  joe
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:24 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
>Ok I gotta ask, Joe you said monitors plural... how many computers and
monitors do you guys have in your desk?  I can't imagine that I win... I
certainly don't have any 100+ VMs like I saw Joe mention... but I'll
start... I have 6 computers, 1 laptop, and one touchscreen POS terminal, in
my office and running right now.  2 of those have VMs, and so does the
laptop but it's tied up for 3 or 4 hours running longhorn server setup so I
can try again now I know there is a wireless add on component hidden
somewhere... I have 4 monitors plus the laptop and touchscreen.  And I have
one other POS terminal and 2 other PCs on standby.  This doesn't count the
lab.  
>
> 
>
>I'll bet that, regardless of some of the looks I get when people peek in my
cube (no, not office), that this is pretty standard...
>
> 
>
>Rich
>
> 
>
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>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:10 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
> 
>
>Oh great Gil thanks... now I have to clean Coca-cola off my monitors. :o)
>
> 
>
>Good to see you back Todd. You working for Ringling Bros now?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick
>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:16 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
>But at least you're not bitter...
>
> 
>
>-g
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd
(NIH/CC/DNA) [E]
>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:06 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
>In my experience, when good directories go bad, it is usually due to three
things.
>
> 
>
>1.     Firewalls 
>2.     Firewalls 
>3.     Did I list firewalls? 
>
> 
>
>Runner ups would be ADC for Exchange, Clowns posing as Administrators,
Clowns posing as DNS experts, Clowns posing as Security experts, and no
disaster recovery solution.
>
> 
>
>Todd Myrick
>
>Brushing off the dust of my MVP status.  
>
> 
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:17 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
> 
>
>When I read Al's post I thought of you Wook, I figured, hey Wook could use
a creative presentation name... ;o)
>
> 
>
>I would say "When Bad Things Happen To Good Directories" is more on par
with "When Bad Things Happen To Good People", say like when your nanny gets
a flat tire. "When Good Directories Go Bad" is more like when your good
little daughter hits her teen years and starts going out to parties in fish
net stockings and Big Red gum. :o)
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee, Wook
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:00 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>Importance: Low
>
>Sorry, I already did that one. My first DEC presentation was entitled "When
Bad Things Happen To Good Directories". :-)
>
> 
>
>Wook
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:02 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
> 
>
>when good directories go bad...sounds like a catchy title for a
presentation, Joe.  I think of directories and identity management
infrastructures a little like networks: you rarely do get to design one from
scratch, you're always tweaking an existing one.  And I agree that tweaking
the existing ones are a lot more interesting than designing from a blank
slate.  The analogy could be taken too far, but like networks, directories
and authentications systems are always morphing due to new technologies, new
tools, adding or removing applications.  Lots of fun.
>
> 
>
>Al Maurer 
>Service Manager, Naming and Authentication Services 
>IT | Information Technology 
>Agilent Technologies 
>(719) 590-2639; Telnet 590-2639 
>http://activedirectory.it.agilent.com 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:31 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
> 
>
>I would say focusing on the design of big directories is pigeon-holing a
little too much. There are only so many big directories that need to be
designed. I personally find much more fun in diagnosing good directories
that have gone bad than trying to design them. I design if I have to but it
isn't what I like. Plus often with the design, it is rarely the case where
you actually have all of the info though someone will tell you you do. You
find out you don't later on when someone starts complaining or something
starts breaking. 
>
> 
>
>I am not sure I would go so far to say it is something you let the tools
handle though. A lot of the tools out there still aren't doing the greatest
job and there are many companies that don't want to spend the millions on
those tools that they would be charged for them instead having a few really
good people handling it. A tool doesn't see bad things coming when someone
is coming at you with the next great thing they want to plug into the AD. If
the tool does catch it, it is way too late in the integration cycle. Plus,
what if the tool isn't catching the problem? Someone has to be knowledgeable
enough too. If you depend solely on your tools to keep your AD running well
it is possible you are going to get cut pretty good. When I did Ops, I had
several tools that watched what had been determined needed to be watched and
then I would just go off and sample things to decide if there was something
that maybe could be watched that we weren't watching. That could take the
form of just watching a network packets on a DC or a client subnet for an
hour or so or just walking the event logs event by event or walking through
looking at objects in the directory. Whatever.
>
> 
>
>To get into those positions you want to get in with the companies already
mentioned and jump about (and try not to hurt the customer too much with
your learning) or find a big company and take whatever entry position you
can get and prove yourself and grow into bigger/better positions. Don't
expect to, for instance, walk into Walmart and become their AD guy. Maybe
you get in as desktop support and get to know the right people and make
suggestions on how things can be better and work your way up. You could
possibly walk into a company and be there expert right off if your
experience is greater than what they currently have or your resume indicates
it or they are desperate. But it could end up biting you in the end if you
don't turn out to be what they expected. Companies can get mighty pissy if
they find out down the road that they are paying 100k+ to someone who would
normally be lucky making $45k. 
>
> 
>
>  joe
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas M. Long
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:49 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience
>
>I am trying to figure out how one gauges their AD experience. For example,
I have designed, implemented and maintained an AD/Exchange environment of
5000 users with 1000 workstations from the ground up, alone. The environment
is only 3 sites, with little complexity. I now work for a company
maintaining a directory of about 150 users and 150 workstations. And the
more local AD people I talk to, the more confident I am that I know quite a
bit about AD compared to them (only talking about the people I have
met...not generalizing the entire industry).
>
> 
>
>Although I am not a guru like some on this list, I would like to get myself
to the place where I can say "yeah, I can design your 50,000 user / 15 site
infrastructure." Or is that even possible? Is a project of that size several
directory experts working together? 
>
> 
>
>I honestly believe that I could perform such a task, but knowing that I
would make some mistakes that a VERY experienced person would not. 
>
> 
>
>So, I guess my question is:
>
> 
>
>How do I get to where I want to be? Consult? Try to get a job with the
biggest company I can? 
>
> 
>
>There may be no real answer, but I thought it was worth asking because I
have been thinking about it for a couple of months and don't know where to
start to move forward, and this is the only place I know that has people
that I consider AD gurus (or gods even)
>
> 
>
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