Exactly....I totally
agree!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe
Sent: Tue 1/31/2006 10:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Putting a DC on VMware
Great, two competing KB articles:
Hardware virtualization software allows you to run multiple
operating system instances simultaneously on a single computer. Microsoft has
two software offerings, Virtual PC and Virtual Server, which provide this
functionality. Third parties also have software on the market providing this
functionality. This article addresses support provided by Microsoft for its
software running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization
software.
Microsoft does not test or support Microsoft software running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. For Microsoft customers who do not have a Premier-level support agreement, Microsoft will require the issue to be reproduced independently from the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. Where the issue is confirmed to be unrelated to the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software, Microsoft will support its software in a manner that is consistent with support provided when that software is not running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software.
For Microsoft customers who have a Premier-level support agreement, Microsoft will use commercially reasonable efforts to investigate potential issues with Microsoft software running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. As part of that investigation, Microsoft may require the issue to be reproduced independently from the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. Where issues are confirmed to be unrelated to the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software, Microsoft will support its software in a manner that is consistent with support provided when that software is not running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software.
Microsoft does not test or support Microsoft software running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. For Microsoft customers who do not have a Premier-level support agreement, Microsoft will require the issue to be reproduced independently from the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. Where the issue is confirmed to be unrelated to the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software, Microsoft will support its software in a manner that is consistent with support provided when that software is not running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software.
For Microsoft customers who have a Premier-level support agreement, Microsoft will use commercially reasonable efforts to investigate potential issues with Microsoft software running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. As part of that investigation, Microsoft may require the issue to be reproduced independently from the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. Where issues are confirmed to be unrelated to the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software, Microsoft will support its software in a manner that is consistent with support provided when that software is not running in conjunction with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software.
I agree that DCs tend to run fine on VMWARE, you need to be
very sure of your position for support though so call ahead to whomever it is
you will call for your MS support. I have argued the point with MS that not
supporting the OS in the virtualization software that is being used by everyone
to collapse datacenters down to size is a great way to get a bunch of people
running in a unsupported manner.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ion Gott
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:44 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Putting a DC on VMware
Definitely good points on
some of the key items to take into account when it comes to the virtualization
of anything.
In regards to Microsoft stance on support
of DC's on virtualization platforms, this changed a few months ago and it is
actually now supported I believe without the premier support agreement....see
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=888794
Quote from the
KB:
Support for Active Directory
domain controllers in virtual hosting environments
We do not test the
functionality of Active Directory domain controllers in virtual hosting
environments. However, we will help troubleshoot domain controllers that run in
virtual hosting environments, whether the virtual hosting environment comes from
Microsoft or from a third party. If the host environment causes a problem, the
vendor of the host environment must provide support. One method to determine
whether the host environment causes a problem is to determine whether the
problem occurs when the host environment is installed on the hardware that is
listed in the Microsoft Hardware Compatibility list or in the Microsoft Windows
Tested Products list.
I have deployed Windows 2003
domain controllers on VMWare GSX and ESX server platforms at several clients
over the past 5-6 months. From a performance standpoint everything functions
well and overall DC's tend to make good candidates for virtualization.
For example on several DL380 G4
servers with dual Xeon processes and 6GB of RAM I am running 5 domain
controllers per physical server on VMWare GSX server 3.2 at different data
center locations and supporting various child domains.
As far as the security of the physical host
it was placed in an empty forest root (Another hot topic as to even being
secure...I know) with hardening via local policy and ACL rights on the server
itself.
Hope that helps...
Ion V.
Gott
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe
Sent: Tue 1/31/2006 5:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Putting a DC on VMware
Things to keep in mind that others mentioned but I just
wanted to emphasize.
1. Understand your supportability position. If you do not
have a Premier contract or a contract through a services organization such as HP
you do not even have best effort support for the OS on VMWARE. You will need to
reproduce any issues on hardware (or Virtual Server) to get MS to engage. If you
have Premier you get best effort but could still end up having to reproduce
outside of VMWARE.
2. Security security security security. Who owns the hosts
running the DCs? They better be domain admins because they could be if they
wanted to be.
3. Exchange is supported on only Virtual Server R2 and
under a very specific set of circumstances.
joe
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Etts, Russell
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Putting a DC on VMware
Hi all
One of our sites is looking to put two DCs on VM ware. I'm not too sure this is really the best thing to do. Am I being too paranoid? Can anyone point me in the right direction regarding suggestions on running a DC on Vmware? Even if there are white papers for running Exchange 2000 on Vmware?
Thanks all
Russ
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