That wouldn't impact mail delivery for DLs though. No tokens are involved,
it is strictly LDAP lookup (or pulled from cache if the info is already
there).

Definitely something to keep in mind otherwise though.

  joe


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Nesting groups

 
No there is no limit on the nesting of groups, however, there is a limit for
the amount at Kerberos token size may be.  Consider that if you are a member
of a group which is a member of 10 groups which is a member of two groups
each.  You look at your account and see that you are only a member of one
group right?  AD Security will see this differently - you are actually a
member of 10x2+10+1 or 32 Groups.  There is a finite limit to your security
token size which is defined in the registry of the local workstation and
server:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/280830

This can easily break other systems and will the result of truncating the
remaining groups it cannot accommodate.

Regards
Jon


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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Nesting groups

No limits that I am aware of, I swear I have tested in the past to 4 or
5 layers and seen it work. I know I definitely tested three layers as I have
done that several times to mimic various environments.  

I would 

A. Make sure all groups/users in question are mail-enabled.

B. Make sure that the groups truly are universal.

C. Make sure that the groups are all replicating properly to the GCs that
the Exchange servers are using.

D. Doublecheck settings on the groups that you think are involved in users
not getting mail. 

E. For testing, Send mail to each of the lists individually and check for
recipt. Step up a level in nesting, repeat.

The size of the DL is relatively small so it isn't an issue with number of
users. 




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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Nesting groups

Is there a limit to the amount of nesting which can be carried out on
Universal Security Groups?

We have a single domain (mix of Windows 2003 and 2000 servers) with Exchange
2003 and a number of nested groups but we've just discovered a problem -
mail sent to some of the lists is not reaching all the members of the list.

Some detail:

Top level list: Technology_Faculty

This comprises: Technology_Teaching, Technology_Support, Technology_Admin,
Technology_Technicians

Each of those groups is split further; eg:
Technology_Teaching contains: School_Auto_Engineering,
School_Building_Crafts, School_Mech_Engineering etc

The schools then split eg:
School_Auto_Engineering: Curriculum_Body_Paint, Curriculum_Mechanical

and users are added to the lowest level groups.

Email sent to the Technology_faculty group doesn't get delivered to all the
people - as far as I can tell (by looking at the Exchange log) it misses
completely the group called "technology_teaching"

In total, there are only about 200 people across all the sub-groups.

If this is "working as designed" then is there a way round it? If it's
broken, then suggestions, please, for fixing it!

Steve
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