If you didn't learn about oldcmp
on this list, how in the world did you learn about it? I practically developed
it on this list. :)
I think some of the thoughts about where the lists go
is in part just due to growth. It is just like all of the other OT stuff that
floats through here that truly aren't AD related except maybe as a third cousin
twice removed on your paternal aunt's side. Anything from I have this firewall
and want to use it to proxy something to the internet or Exchange this or that
to how do I make a GPO do this or that or how come DNS doesn't resolve blag. No
Exchange and GPOs and DNS are not AD for anyone that wants to debate
those... They are technologies that rely on AD or AD has some reliance on.
:)
The appeal is that you have a group of acknowledged fairly
bright folks (even Dean) who have proven they like to spend time responding to
tough (and some silly easy) questions for free which is a good group to target
for someone who has a product they want to be called out. We all do it for
different reasons, I came here because a bunch of people kept sending me emails
chewing me out and telling me to come here so I finally showed up and lurked for
quite a while and then started posting and never shut up again. I am glad I did,
I met some very cool people on this list that I wouldn’t have met otherwise and
even consider a few of them friends. ;o) So again, folks will want to
"advertise" and no it isn't cool, but it is up to Tony. As long as the intro
email to the list and the FAQ clearly states that Tony can police the place and
boot out the bad guys as they rear their heads. He could even set up another web
page of banned for life stupid people who can't read directions that we can all
occasionally go to and laugh at. Of course, I could find myself on that list but
that is another story. :o)
Personally I wouldn't even be against
outright advertising as long as it was clearly marked like [ADVERT] or something
in the subject. Maybe Tony could pick up a few bucks off of it too.
I do
concur though that this is probably the best technical list I am a member of.
Absolutely loves it. The fact that people can use this list to solve problems
and get better jobs because of the knowledge imparted just amazes me.
And remember folks... Send a joeware thong to your favorite Microsoft employees... The TAMS and PSS guys just love em! ~Eric wears a joeware.net t-shirt with pride and was heard saying "Goodness gratious, this is the best shirt I have ever had... The fit the finish, its amazing, just like the tools from www.joeware.net". BrettSh asked for one too but then didn't order it when he found out he couldn’t get his own image added which would just completely ruin his rep. Even Tony himself wears a joeware.net Apron when out tossing critters on the Barby... Bill Gates was overheard saying, "joeware?? Amazing stuff, if I could afford it I would buy that guy out... In the meanwhile I settled for a nice joeware thong for Melinda and joeware boxers for myself.".
http://www.cafepress.com/joewarenet
LOFL. }:-<>
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Genius
I am pure evil. I lie awake at night devising schemes of world domination,
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT][ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut downs through ADUC
Yeah, it did :)
The siglines are pretty much commonly accepted "guerrilla marketing" options within the industry. Oldcomp and such have become commonly accepted part of discussions on this forum, and many of us who started recommending it on this list did not learn about it on this list. Even that aside, I have no recollection of you carpet-bombing the list with "FREE" announcements of your truly free tools. Actually, I remember that you were not the first one that said "yeah, my tool can do that" in response to questions relevant to your tools. We were the ones going "have you tried joeware".
When you've had to mention the tools, it has always had direct relationship with a given topic or question of the day. What this "FREE" vendor did was nothing but a misuse of the facility offered by this list. They were not RESPONDING to ANY technical question, or soliciting any technical opinion but the evaluation of a "bait". It would have been perfectly understandable if he had, perhaps, waited for a question that his tool addresses and offered that announcement in response. That he just blasted it out so is, to be generous, ill-conceived.
I know that many of us have joined numerous lists that held very good promises at the inception only to walk away when those lists become nothing but marketing boards for unscrupulous "FREE" tools commercial entities.
ActiveDir remains one of the truly technically-sound lists around today, and I am sure that you guys made it so. If we don't beat back sneak "FREE"
announcements like this as soon they rear their ugly heads, ActiveDir will lose its allure.
Sincerely,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe
Sent: Thu 4/27/2006 7:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT][ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut
downs through ADUC
Wow Deji, that bug bit you pretty hard! One could argue that the URL in my
sig is unsolicited as well as the multiple URLs in your sig.
It doesn't appear that Tony has an issue with it as I can't find a message
from him on the topic. I expect he would have busted it if he wanted to, he
has busted most of that stuff that has come through and he is the only one
with an official AD Org list police badge (its made of plastic but it is
still good in 99.4% of the world) that I am aware of.
--
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http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut
downs through ADUC
Neil,
The webpage and this list are different forums. The spirit of the list has
always been to refrain from using it as a forum for naked advertisement.
Free or not, what Robert did was a blatant misuse of the list service - IMO.
He was not responding to a question that requires him plugging his freeware.
Unless Tony had changed the rules without informing the list members, we
have always frowned upon this type of sneak attack.
The reason I asked whether or not Tony approved it is because that has
usually been the proper way to get private, unsolicited announcements onto
the list. I don't want to believe that the mere fact that SpecOps advertises
on the website grants them a "pass" to extend their reach into my inbox. If
Tony approved it, fine. If not, it is an abusive use of a forum because it
was unsolicited and unrelated to any ongoing technical subject matter. The
fact that it's FREE is irrelevant because, come to think of it, Trojan
horses are free too, and that doesn't make them palatable. SpecOps makes
commercial products. Their ultimate goal is to drive traffic up to their
sites with "FREE" offers in the hope of getting you to bite the more
tantalizing apples.
Many of us would love to be able to do so as well, but we are respecting the
technical quality of this list and refusing to dilute the sound discussions
with specious "FREE" offers.
Sincerely,
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is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 4/24/2006 12:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut
downs
through ADUC
I doubt Tony has an issue with this, since he already has an advert for
SpecOps on the activeDir home page :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: 23 April 2006 19:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut
downs through ADUC
Yeah Tony is usually pretty ok with people posting about free tools. I
expect if it got out of hand though he would start smacking me, I mean
the people who post about them.
I would never send an initial post that was advertising one of my tools
that you have to pay for; however I wouldn't have an issue listing it in
direct response to a problem someone is having.
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of steve patrick
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut
downs through ADUC
Seems fair enough to me, its a free tool right?
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: [ActiveDir] [ABUSE] - WAS: Perform gpupdate, start or shut
downs through ADUC
Tony,
When did you relax the rules? I have things I'd like to pitch, too. Is
it a free-for-all now?
Sincerely,
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www.akomolafe.com <http://www.akomolafe.com> Do you now realize that
Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robert Lundh
Sent: Fri 4/21/2006 8:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Perform gpupdate, start or shut downs through
ADUC
Great feedback Neil.
I will forward your ideas/feedback/questions to the Product Manager of
Specops Gpupdate asap and try to answer you later today or early next
week.
And yes, we have had many folks requesting this kind of tool.
Have a good weekend,
Robert Lundh
Special Operations Software
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Perform gpupdate, start or shut downs through
ADUC
Immediate questions / comments come to mind:
1. Does each and every admin need to install the software? I would hope
not, but can't be sure from the docs.
2. Re-word context menu 'gpupdate' to 'Refresh GPOs' [much more
meaningful
:) ] 3. I'm uncomfortable at the thought of offering re-start and
shutdown command via ADU&C :) I'd rather those operations were a little
more 'hidden'
and thus less likely to be invoked accidentally.
4. I'd like to see the changes made in AD (as a result of the
installation) documented in *detail* before I even looked at this in a
lab.
The doc alludes to those changes but more detail is needed IMHO.
Personally, I can think of several other additions that could / should
be made to context menus, that I'd like to see before 'restart' and
'shutdown'.
Examples:
- Unlock user
- Unlock all users in OU
- Show user data (last logon, last bad logon etc)
Did customers ask for a bulk gp updating tool?
My (candid) 2 penneth,
neil
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Lundh
Sent: 21 April 2006 15:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Perform gpupdate, start or shut downs through ADUC
Dear listmembers,
Today we have released a free tool that gives you the power to perform
gpupdate, start ups or shut downs of computers through Active Directory
Users and Computers. We would love if you tried the tool called Specops
Gpupdate and came with feedback to us on how to further improve it. We
have developed this tool to make your job as an admin as easy as
possible.
Here is the link to the product page where you can download the tool:
http://www.specopssoft.com/products/specopsgpupdate/default.asp
Best Regards,
Robert Lundh
Special Operations Software
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