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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:04 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: joe
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 80/20 ..... Was: Read-Only Domain 
> Controller and Server Core
> 
> My inbox continues to be bombarded with messages from your 
> group. Not sure how I got included on this list, but what can 
> I do to get off it???!!!!! Would be nice to get my inbox back...
> 
> ---- joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > Interesting thoughts there... 
> > 
> > My only tongue in cheek response right off (though this 
> will bubble in 
> > my head for some time) is that most predators are brighter 
> than many 
> > people doing admin work and we still need them to be able 
> to find the systems...
> > ;o)
> > 
> > Raise your hand if in the last year you saw a postit with a 
> password on it?
> > Keep your hand up if you did anything about it like ripping 
> it up and 
> > talking to the person? If your hand went down, was it yours 
> by any chance?
> > 
> > How many people now see a security problem and shake their head and 
> > say, wow that isn't good but there isn't anything I can do about it 
> > and then continue on your day. That is the kind of stuff 
> that really needs to stop.
> > 
> >   joe
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - 
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan 
> > Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:28 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] 80/20 ..... Was: Read-Only Domain 
> Controller 
> > and Server Core
> > 
> > On a totally serious note to Joe's tongue in cheek 
> posting.... Go to a 
> > zoo(1).. and you'll hear stories of how each animal has natural 
> > 'protection' from their predators.
> > 
> > Each animal has evolved to ensure they have some level of 
> camouflage 
> > in the way of color/features etc so that when their 
> predator targets 
> > them they attempt to blend into the background.  Some plants and 
> > animals depend on other plants and animals to survive.  There's a 
> > unique falcon that will only nest in leftover "Weaver bird" nests.. 
> > they don't build their own..but by moving into a Weaver 
> bird area, they act as "bouncers"
> > at the door and keep out the predators that prey on the 
> Weaver birds.
> > 
> > Given that "here's what nature does to protect itself".... what (if
> > anything) has the computing industry done to "camouflage" 
> to reduce risk?
> > 
> > (call me wacko) but it seems to me that we do a lot of 
> "football"ish 
> > type of security models.. offensive moves and defensive 
> moves.  (Isn't 
> > RODC a defensive move?)  Do we and can we add lessons from 
> nature into 
> > future networks?
> > 
> > (1)  Lessons learned from camping in a zoo...yes.. this high 
> > maintenance female stayed in a tent in a zoo... if you are 
> going to be 
> > without power and electricity.... camping in a zoo at the San Diego 
> > Zoo's Wild Animal Park's Roar and Snore is the way to do it.....
> > 
> > Matt Hargraves wrote:
> > > Joe's blog doesn't seem to say anything about what DSI 
> actually *is*.  
> > > I'm not seeing it as a security model beyond my impression of it 
> > > being "Don't tell anyone what your security infrastructure looks 
> > > like" or something like that.
> > >
> > > On 8/1/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Isn't DSI being discussed in great detail at Blackhat starting
> > >     tomorrow.. or am I mistaken and just thinking about 
> the blog post
> > >     again?
> > >     http://blog.joeware.net/2006/07/11/445/
> > >     <http://blog.joeware.net/2006/07/11/445/>
> > >
> > >
> > >     Brett Shirley wrote:
> > >     > I've always followed a DSI[1] access model, it definately
> > >     supercedes in
> > >     > every way what RBS[resource], RBS[role], ABS, CBS, 
> NBC, ABC can
> > >     provide
> > >     > ...
> > >     >
> > >     > [1] DSI = Defending Security Infrastructures
> > >     >
> > >     > -B
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >
> > 
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