LOL.

Don't be afraid to speak, all of the input and view points from folks is
good. 

RE: Scripting... The main benefit of scripting or writing batch files is
that it isn't often that one tool will handle everything you might want to
do across an environment or maybe as flexibly as you want whereas scripting
is limited mostly by your capability. Sure there is a learning curve but
once you go through it, the cost is paid and there is very little added cost
and it generally makes you more powerful as an admin overall. Plus you might
move on to some other environment where that tool doesn't exist but the
scripting tools exist everywhere. I am especially surprised being an EDU
that you aren't a scripting person. You must have more money than most EDUs
as they never seem to have money for third party stuff, especially if they
invested in MSFT infrastructure. :)

As for the jist of the list, it is all over the map, you have people running
AD in environments that consist of a desk to shield the domain controller
and 4 or 5 users to companies with Class A power/air filtered Data Centers
(Centres) and hundreds or thousands of domain controllers and hundreds of
thousands of users. You have people who have very little experience to
people who have been working on AD in very challenging environments since
its initial launch. You have operations guys, consultants, management,
programmers, integrators, we even allow Exchange folks on here. The list is
primarily composed of lurkers in my opinion but Tony could confirm or deny
that. You have every major IT Services company represented I believe as well
as vendors from many of the AD products as well as considerable Microsoft
lurkers as well as several vocal Microsoft folks. In general, the folks
answering questions here are the same folks you find speaking at conferences
on AD and Exchange and writing many of the more informed books. You will
find lots of opinions which personally I think is really good but then I
like reading and giving opinions since there are few absolutes with this
stuff. Just make sure if you state an opinion you are ready to defend it as
someone may challenge it. You never know, you could change the opinions of
others. It has happened before, it will happen again. :)

Don't take any of it personally. Don't get upset about OT content, most of
it should be labeled, if you want to read it read it, if not, delete it.
However, there is a lot of good stuff in the OT messages as well as the
normal messages. You never know what thread will spawn into a really great
conversation.


  joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Miller
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Find last logon for ID

Fair enough! I didn't realize it costs so much these days.

We got in early and also got an EDU discount to boot.

It costs me only $250 a year and saves a lot of time by avoiding 
debugging some script.

My objective is to administer the AD, not write code. I'm new to this 
list and perhaps haven't quite gotten the jist of it yet.

In my case, it pays for itself each fall by allowing mass creation of 
new user accounts for incoming students with random generated passwords, 
Home Directories, etc using a simple file as input.

Other uses are just gravy.

I'll shut up and just listen for a while.


Michael J. Miller 
Computing Services
College of Veterinary Medicine, UIUC
_________________________________________________________________



Steve Rochford wrote:
> One reason for using the bicycle instead of the car is that the bike is
> free whereas the car costs (a lot!) of money.
>
> There's also the benefit that you learn more about how it all works;
> then when you want a report which isn't included in the toolkit you have
> you can just run it up yourself (perhaps asking for a little help along
> the way)
>
> Steve 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Miller
> Sent: 16 August 2006 15:55
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Find last logon for ID
>
> It strikes me that y'all are trying to cobble together a bicycle.  Why
> not use a car?
>
> AD Toolkit from Javelina Software has last logon as one of many
> pre-configured reports. 
> You run it against and OU or entire domain and it returns last logon
> info as well as which DC handled it.
> Saving a report as a CSV file is also a standard option.
> I sometime use it for machine account last logon info to find those
> which may have left with Elvis.
>
> See http://www.javelinasoftware.com/advantage.html
>
> Michael J. Miller
> Computing Services
> College of Veterinary Medicine, UIUC
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