Competition benefits customers.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gil Kirkpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
It gets even nuttier in competitive situations. Bring in the NetPro products
for eval, and watch how fast the Quest price goes to zero. Its like the old
Crazy Eddy's TV ads in New York.
Of course its free like a puppy... :)
-gil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wed 12/6/2006 4:18 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
"The Quest guys told me the other day they had a lot of leeway on some
pricing for one of my clients so I'm wondering if this is the end of the
year for the salesmen and they need to make their year this month (if so
this is an excellent time to buy Quest software)"
Ha! Show me a sales person from ANY software company who doesn't get that
wide-eyed, crazed, foaming-at-the-mouth look in his or her eye around
quarter-end or year-end and I'll show you a sales person that is about to be
fired. Its part of the game. Gotta make quota, esp. at year end, and to do
that, you gotta discount! I would think most IT shops are wise to it by now.
Its kind of a sick dance we all do J
Darren
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:54 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
Yeah. Sit down with your team and figure out what it is you need - must
have, would like to have, and nice to have. Then, tell all the vendors you
want a little webinar (they love these), and then compare your notes after
each/all of them again. Rule out any ones now that don't do the trick
Then go get ready to have it shoved way up your ass when they give you the
pricing. Then you can suggest (if they haven't already) that they come
discuss it in further and plan on a lunch/dinner or two on their dime while
you further discuss how expensive their stuff is and what they can do for
you to make it more attractive. The Quest guys told me the other day they
had a lot of leeway on some pricing for one of my clients so I'm wondering
if this is the end of the year for the salesmen and they need to make their
year this month (if so this is an excellent time to buy Quest software).
Now that said, I've worked in a few large shops, and we haven't had any of
this frilly fancy shit. It's expensive, I hate the per head/per seat/per
whatever pricing, and frankly all I think it does is idiot proof what's
already there. Rather than having something do it for you, why don't you
learn how it does it, because then you'll be smarter, and you can go get a
new better job with your new found talents.
That said there is some cool shit from quest and NetIQ and those guys - I'm
into the change control/management stuff in shops where there are too many
cooks in the kitchen. Quest's migration stuff is of course great if you can
afford it.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd
(NIH/CC/DCRI) [E]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:23 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
I don't think there are many independent rankings out there. You have to
figure that Windows ITPro and SearchWindows are probably the easiest sources
to get access to online, but they are influenced by ad dollars sometimes.
It is possible that Burton Group and possibly Gartner have done some
research.... But I doubt it. I know that directions on Microsoft hasn't
covered it. It is a pretty niche topic.
I think the best way to approach this is to have a good old fashion bake off
of the technologies. Depending how big a player you are, you can probably
get Quest, Netpro, Veritas, and Commvalt to step-up. I would say that all
the technologies are pretty stable at the moment; there isn't a lot of
innovation going on anymore, so it is pretty hard to make a mistake choosing
one of these products.
Todd
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From: Tim Onsomu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:06 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
Does anybody know what independent rankings look like for AD DR tools?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gil Kirkpatrick
Sent: Wed 12/6/2006 9:59 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
<shamelss plug>
NetPro has an AD data recovery product called RestoreADmin that competes
very well with the Quest product. It's solves the AD object recovery
problem nicely.
See http://www.netpro.com/products/restoreadmin/index.cfm.
</shameless plug>
-gil
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
Todd, thanks for your insight. Good points to think about.
James Masters
Systems Architecture and Engineering
The Kroger Co.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:14 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
Same here... Good stuff.
To be fair though, most of the major AD players have these tools now.
The thing about the Quest (Aelita) tool was its use of their own APIs to
address issues like Domain Local Groups etc. I haven't kept up with the
latest versions so I am not sure what direction they have gone since
2003.
Latest information I remember was they offered you the option to use the
MS API methods for recovery, or their special brew for more advanced
recovery options.
Now if put some extra effort into your query, you might get this thread
nice and hot, and generate input from people like Stuart Kwan discussing
supportability issues using the various recovery methods, Guido &
Vladimir
discussing in great depth the inherent problems of group recovery,
various
opinions on how to use isolates sites with rubber chickens, MIIS, ADAM
to
reanimate deleted objects (This seems to be a favorite topic of Gil's to
use to fill in spots at DEC)... did I forget anyone... hmm maybe Robbie
might take time away from work on his fields medal or latest cookbook to
write you a Monad shell script that Joe will find a way to compile into
a
.exe to execute from a ADFIND query pipe.
In all seriousness though, when evaluating DR feature for AD you will
have
a lot of things to consider, technologies being just one. The nature of
the type of AD objects you want to recover and in what state should be
considered (Groups, GPO's, etc, attribute data). How much time you want
to dedicate to this operation? How much you want to spend? And who will
support you if the recovery operations fail or seem to cause more
problems.
If you are looking just to recover deleted users, the various free tools
out there will do just fine.
I highly recommend that you start your DR project today by just using
the
good'old MS backup utility at a minimum to make a MST formatted backup
of
the system state and data from a domain controller in each of your
domains
you think has the most current AD data in your organization. That
pretty
much guarantees you can recover every object given that you have the
data
in some backup.
And to all the people I mentioned above. Happy Holidays... and New
Year.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Day, James (NPS)
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Cc: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Quest Recovery Manager
Hi James
We bought this when it was an Aelita tool and loved the product - it
pretty much paid for itself in one step the second month we were using
it.
The product is still good but I have nothing good to say about Quest
support (but I could complain for hours about it if I am allowed to).
There are a couple of other similar ones that may also be worth.
Regards;
James R. Day
Active Directory Core Team
Office of the Chief Information Officer
National Park Service
202-354-1464
202-230-2983 (CEL)
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Does anybody have anything particularly good or bad to say about Quest's
Recovery Manager product?
We are evaluating it for an 2 forests, and 3 domains.
As always, thanks for all of your insight and expertise.
-James
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