Deji, I've had enough of you attributing statements to me that I have
not made, and therefore I am finished with this conversation.
Laura
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Akomolafe, Deji
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 4:44 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Did I actually say that clueless folks are writing you checks? Or
are you projecting? That those who write you checks but
don't/can't/won't do things "the right way" (according to you) are
clueless, and you don't like their checks?
Sincerely,
_____
(, / | /) /) /)
/---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/ /)
(/
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com
<x-excid://32770000/uri:http://www.akomolafe.com> - we know IT
*-5.75, -3.23*
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried
about Yesterday? -anon
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* Fri 12/15/2006 12:50 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
BTW, I would disagree with your assessment of Microsoft's customer
base. I work in Microsoft's largest district, with our largest
customers, and I find them far from clueless. I also find very few
clueless folks writing us checks that "add up to those billions in
the vault".
Do I run into misinformed people? Absolutely. Clueless? Not
really. Well, not among my customers, anyway. :-)
Laura
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 2:26 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
And it's the clueful customers who (rightly) become angry when
something in a product that exists purely for backward
compatibility opens a security hole. Now, I'm not saying that
all security holes are due to backward compatibility, and I'm
not saying that every bit of code that comes out of Redmond is
perfect. However, I have said for years that many of the
things that people don't like about Microsoft's products are
the result of backward compatibility, not bad coding or a lack
of consideration on the part of Microsoft's programmers. As
somebody else (Darren? Richard?) said, there is a point where
a line has to be drawn in the sand. I personally don't see
anything dictatorial about requiring a Vista+ machine to edit
*VISTA* policies. I mean, seriously, if you're writing Vista
GPOs, that would imply that you're using Vista machines, and
if you're using Vista machines, what is the issue with using
one of those Vista machines as your editing workstation? I
think that that *IS* a very pragmatic, realistic approach.
Sorry, I just don't follow your logic on this one.
That said, my opinions are purely my own, do not represent
those of my employer, are not intended to represent those
of my employer and for all I know, may even pi$$ off my
employer. :-)
Laura
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Akomolafe, Deji
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 1:42 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
I wouldn't put it in those words. But, yeah, I would
expect Microsoft to be... shall we say...pragmatic,
realistic. Something like, "enable" its customers to run
their businesses. I mean, refrain from "dictating" its
wishes. You know? Because at the end of the day, it is the
"clueless customers" that actually write the checks that
add up to those billions in the vault.
Sincerely,
_____
(, / | /) /) /)
/---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/ /)
(/
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com
<x-excid://32770000/uri:http://www.akomolafe.com> - we know IT
*-5.75, -3.23*
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were
worried about Yesterday? -anon
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* Fri 12/15/2006 10:19 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
So Microsoft should encourage their bad practices?
Laura
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf
Of *Akomolafe, Deji
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 12:39 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>>> People don't seem to have a problem with that
concept when it comes to game consoles :)
Bad analogy. Go stand in the corner, no wii for you :)
When people start running their businesses on game
consoles, then you can come back and compare. For now,
it's just plain incomprehensible that you can't manage
ADMX from anything but Vista. Yeah, ideally we would
want to encourage clients to NOT manage things
directly from servers, and to ensure that IF they are
going to introduce Vista, the IT folks' machines
should be doing the dog-fooding, but realistically,
the "ideal" is always the exception in this field.
Microsoft should know that. People will insist on
managing GPO directly from the DCs, best practices be
damned.
Sincerely,
_____
(, / | /) /) /)
/---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/ /)
(/
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com
<x-excid://32770000/uri:http://www.akomolafe.com> - we
know IT
*-5.75, -3.23*
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were
worried about Yesterday? -anon
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Darren Mar-Elia
*Sent:* Fri 12/15/2006 9:18 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
I hear you Rich. I had a long discussion with someone on the GP
newsgroups
who thought that the fact that XP and 2003 couldn't read Vista
GP settings
was an abomination and a scandal of the highest order and that
MS should be
beaten for their insolence (I'm paraphrasing :-)). But, yes, we
should all
be used to the fact that sometimes, you have to adopt the new
stuff to get
the new toys. People don't seem to have a problem with that
concept when it
comes to game consoles :)
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry, I understand it's different, what I meant was merely
that we had
some growing pains like this when XP first came out. Our
practice then
became to use only XP desktops for GP management. I think
there's a
tendency to think this is such a terrible thing, this
backwards-incompatibility, and we might forget that Vista is
not new
with this, we had similar issues before. And who remembers the
teeth-pulling to get people to move to Active Directory??
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rich Milburn
MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development
Applebee's International, Inc.
4551 W. 107th St
Overland Park, KS 66207
913-967-2819
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
This is actually a little different because if you view a GPO
that was
created with Vista, using XP or 2003, none of the ADMX settings
can
actually
be read at all, because they are a completely new format that
GPEditor
or
GPMC on those older platforms don't understand. In fact, those
XP or
2003
will happily copy up the ADMs into the Vista GPO like they used
to do,
and
you're back to each GPO storing ADMs in SYSVOL. What I've been
recommending
to folks is that once you introduce Vista desktops into your
environment,
use Vista for all your ongoing GP management. The Vista ADMXs
are a
superset
of the latest and greatest ADMs (i.e. they include 2003, XP and
Vista
settings) so you can happily manage Vista and non-Vista
targeted GP
settings
from a Vista machine.
Darren
Darren Mar-Elia
CTO & Founder
www.sdmsoftware.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
You may recall, there was a similar case when XP came out too -
if
memory serves, you had to manage XP GPO settings from an XP box
- if you
opened them on Win2K, there were problems (I can't recall now
exactly
what those problems were... it would corrupt the policy? Lose
the
settings?) anyway so there are tons more settings (+ side) and
you have
to use Vista for now (- side, sorta). I wouldn't be too
surprised if
they fix that with the next server and XP SP... but I haven't
actually
heard that.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rich Milburn
MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development
Applebee's International, Inc.
4551 W. 107th St
Overland Park, KS 66207
913-967-2819
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Vista introduces a new Admin Template format called ADMX. These
are
found on Vista in C:\windows\policydefinitions and,
unfortuately cannot
be consumed by earlier versions of Windows. That is you must
manage
Vista GP from Vista.
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: "Za Vue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 12/14/2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry. Exactly what Ben wrote.
Thanks..
-Z.V.
WATSON, BEN wrote:
> Maybe he may be referring to the location of any possible new
ADM
files
> included with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren
Mar-Elia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:34 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>
> What do you mean Za? I'm not familiar with any GPO plug-in
for Win2K3,
> unless you mean the LDIF files that are in sources\adprep on
the Vista
> CD?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Za Vue
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:57 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>
> Anyone know what and where the GPO plugin for Win2003 on the
Vista DVD
> is called and located?
>
> -Z.V.
> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
> List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
>
> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
> List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
> List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
>
>
>
List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
-------APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL, INC. CONFIDENTIALITY
NOTICE-------
PRIVILEGED /
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION may be contained in this message or any
attachments.
This information is strictly confidential and may be subject to
attorney-client
privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the named
addressee.
If
you are not the intended recipient of this message, unauthorized
forwarding,
printing, copying, distribution, or using such information is strictly
prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this in error, you
should
kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail and immediately destroy this
message.
Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal
criminal
law.
Applebee's International, Inc. reserves the right to monitor and review
the
content of all messages sent to and from this e-mail address. Messages
sent
to
or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Applebee's
International,
Inc.
e-mail system.
List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
-------APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL, INC. CONFIDENTIALITY
NOTICE-------
PRIVILEGED /
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION may be contained in this message or any
attachments.
This information is strictly confidential and may be subject to
attorney-client
privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the named addressee.
If
you are not the intended recipient of this message, unauthorized forwarding,
printing, copying, distribution, or using such information is strictly
prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this in error, you
should
kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail and immediately destroy this
message.
Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal
law.
Applebee's International, Inc. reserves the right to monitor and review the
content of all messages sent to and from this e-mail address. Messages sent
to
or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Applebee's International,
Inc.
e-mail system.
List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx
List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx
List archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 -
Release Date: 12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release
Date: 12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release
Date: 12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release
Date: 12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release
Date: 12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date:
12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date:
12/15/2006 10:02 AM
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date:
12/15/2006 10:02 AM
