From: Scott Leighton
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:10 PM

> An excellent reason to change to a better mail client. Outlook and 
> OE play by their own rules, it's not reasonable to 
> expect the rest of the world to adjust to them.

I see where you are coming from but which rest of the world are you
referring to? In every mail client poll or study I have seen over the last
several years, OE and Outlook combined with Hotmail which emulates those two
comprises >85% of the clients used. In large Fortune 50 and larger
businesses where I have had access to smtp headers[1] of all incoming
external messages (sans spam) that number is even higher often approaching
98%. Possibly someone who maintains all of the emails to this list could
scan through all unique senders and give the numbers for the list. Of course
that will only outline posters, not everyone that is on the list. I would do
it strictly from curiosity but in general I only save about 2 messages a
month from this list if any. I realize this isn't something that a lot of
people like, especially noisy people who feel the world should be fair, but
it isn't something I can bring myself to care about. I have run into too
many people in the world who whine that MS doesn't do something and then
whines when they do the opposite. MS is in the market for the forseeable
future and probably longer.



From: pDale
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:39 PM

>> In the end, it is all [top vs. bottom-posting] personal choice. 

> Actually, no. http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/help#4

Actually yes. Those are guidelines, not rules. If they were rules, people
would get booted from the list for not following them. You, as a poster,
could help enforce those guidelines by not responding to the messages that
don't match your preferred posting format. I don't understand people who
tilt at top/bottom posting. If you don't like the format of the message you
are looking at, skip it. You aren't being graded on how many you respond to.
Personally if I asked for help and someone started whining about the format
of my post while responding I would rather they just ignore it. I respond to
emails whether they are top or bottom posted. If there is a chain of emails,
I much prefer the top posting with occasional inline posting with all text
of all of the messages. It allows me to toss out all of the messages except
the last in the chain.




And not in response to any specific post, but Bill certainly has an amazing
skill to count characters and post the results. Not quite sure I understand
that preoccupation but everyone has something. As an aside, I have never
seen someone so grumpy about helping people. As I mention above, if someone
doesn't post in your magic format, skip the post and go on to one that makes
you smile. Life is too short to whine about top/bottom posting and how many
characters there are in a post that has nothing to do with whatever it is
the post is supposed to have to do with. Personally I always found it
annoying that he has a $ in his display name but it doesn't annoy me to the
point where I have to write a special note just to point that out. I ignore
it because it really doesn't matter. If he has a good post, and he has had
some, I read it, if he is being whiney about something or trying to tell
someone they asked for help wrong, and he has had some, I ignore that.
Whether his post is on the top or the bottom or the middle doesn't matter.



   joe

[1] I am a Senior Consultant for the Messaging Services division of a large
tech firm that manages the email systems for many large companies in the
Fortune 500 including a few in the Fortune 10. 

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