Hey Michael,

Yep, I think it was a combination of the docs being a bit challenging
to go through, which ones to use, etc, and also the fact that I didn't
know about the as_routes method which Jon mentioned. Things are much,
much easier now and I'm excited to actually test this out. It looks
like some things need fixing a bit, but in a much more easy to handle
way (get a model to display nicely in the list, etc).

I'm actually working on a project called Writeme which will be a
readme generator/specification. I think we all do ourselves a bit of a
disservice by having README's be so unorganized, and I think this
might be a great example of a project which could use some of the
ideas I'm playing with in Writeme.

Anyway, appreciate your thoughts. Looking forward to really testing
this out now that I can get the basics going.

Jack

On Sep 8, 11:32 am, Michael Bahnmiller <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hey Jack,
>
> AS has been incredibly helpful to me.  I'm sort of the other mindset, in
> that they have developed this thing with a very good set of defaults.
>
> It's been my experience (though I'm using Rails 2.3.8) that /most/ stuff
> works right out of the box.  That said, even the stuff that doesn't work
> immediately, I write to the list about and it either gets worked on and
> fixed within a day or two or someone from the list writes back
> explaining how things should be done.
>
> At first the documentation is hard to navigate and figure out, I agree.  
> But once you get an idea of what's going on, it's not quite so bad.
>
> If you need any help, just write!  Sometimes it's just a matter of
> getting relationships set up correctly, etc.
>
> Also, a note on defaults - you can, in fact, set your own set of
> defaults in the application controller so that you don't have to worry
> about setting them every time.
>
> Anyway, feel free to write.
>
> Thanks, and welcome to the group :)
> Mikelb
>
> On 09/08/2010 12:31 AM, jack dempsey wrote:
>
>
>
> > I recently tried using ActiveScaffold in a simple application of mine.
> > I've found the process extremely frustrating and had basically given
> > up. After looking through some of the other common choices for admin
> > type interfaces, I'm looking at ActiveScaffold again, as the other
> > choices are even more frustrating.
>
> > This is of course my opinion, but as a user new to this lib, I would
> > expect some semblance of an ability to get things running without too
> > much hassle.
>
> > So, I setup the basics, added active_scaffold :model to a controller,
> > and then set about to try things out.
>
> > Things blow up immediately with an error about a route not matching
> > show_search. Search? I'm not even thinking about search yet. Why is
> > this a default that can't work on its own?
>
> > I eventually find the API docs and figure out some way of avoiding the
> > search action. I try loading things up again.
>
> > This time it bombs with an error about edit_associated something or
> > other. Ok...I comment out the has_and_belongs_to_many call in my model
> > and refresh. Voila, the page loads! So after that first success I go
> > back and try to figure out what to do next. After trying a variety of
> > things I somehow get it to work, sort of.
>
> > So, in short, I think you've done an incredible job of trying to
> > handle a huge variety of situations and use cases. I know this stuff
> > is complex and I can only imagine the time put into the project. I
> > don't send this with any sort of entitlement or feeling that anyone
> > owes me something. Quite the contrary.
>
> > However, I do think there are some basic improvements that could be
> > made that would hugely help people get up and get going with
> > ActiveScaffold.
>
> > 1. if configuration is needed for an option, don't include it in the
> > defaults. Don't make me think about search when I may not even want
> > it. Don't make me add in other methods, routes, links, or whatever if
> > I just want to get a simple scaffolding view of some models going.
> > It's so much better to opt-in to the more advanced capabilities once
> > ready than force them on a user to start with.
>
> > 2. A certain amount of configuration is acceptable of course. For
> > instance, adding in include helpers, changing things like what js
> > framework to use, etc. makes a lot of sense to me. I still don't like
> > having to do that sort of thing each time I want to generate a new
> > idea, so I've wrapped it up in a rails 3 compatible recipe in a
> > project of mine, which you can see here:
> >http://github.com/jackdempsey/beet/blob/master/lib/beet/recipes/rails...
>
> > The line I would draw though is using beet to setup config options in
> > a controller to exclude search and so on as a default. I really think
> > that should be the default choice from the lib itself.
>
> > 3. If certain choices remain standard, then it'd be great to have a
> > small section of "this is what you need to do to get going", showing
> > configs for search, how to setup edit_associated urls, and other
> > things like that. There may very well be this sort of page out there,
> > but I couldn't find it, and gave up after a good amount of searching.
>
> > The reason I'm so frustrated is that this project is so close to being
> > something amazingly useful for me and I imagine many others, but these
> > first stumbling steps were almost enough to make me want to quit
> > trying and not look back, and that would be a shame.
>
> > I'm not one to complain and expect others to code for me. I'd be happy
> > to help document things (once I understand them better) and engage in
> > a discussion about defaults, how easy it should or shouldn't be to get
> > up and running, etc. At this point though I don't want to jump back in
> > without a better sense of hope that each new thing I try to do won't
> > be broken to start, and force me to scour pages looking for a fix. Is
>
> > Thank you for the time, effort, and consideration put into AS. I truly
> > appreciate it and hope I can help with improving it even more.
>
> > best,
> > Jack

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