...or even having the choice to be in the wrong place at the right time when a bomb goes off subscribed for by the American people. Having narrowly avoided one such 'incident' and having lost friends in others, or in another case, bits of a friend I would have really hoped that since the first attempt on the Twin Towers the US would have learned that what one reaps is what one sows.
Having being almost reaped by a so-called friendly nation you will have to forgive my reluctance to get into the over emotional, almost hysterical, outburst of last September. Have I sympathy for those who lost friends and family? Indeed, yes, and without reservation, I have. This was never in doubt, having known some people who worked in one of the Towers, but what truly upsets me is the near hysteria for the Nation and the Way Of Life of a Nation rather than for the people actually suffered. The families I have nothing but sympathy for. The Nation? Something else; after making so many enemies since the second world war (what is it, 23 coups and a 'conviction' from the World Court?) and the disgraceful way in which the US' foreign policy is kept from its own population. If the average American could see and understand what is done in his name overseas then he would be appalled. This is the nub of the issue here; a great proportion of people worldwide have nothing but respect for the individual American or, collectively, the American People; but when it comes to the American State or the Corporations thereof the feeling is, generally, of something between intense distrust to intense dislike. My wife is an American living in the United Kingdom. She sees more about the US Foreign Policy here in Europe than she'd ever see on the pasteurised and sanitised CNN, ABC and NPC network news. Above all she wonders why anyone still wants to talk to her on the street at times! So, to recap; this is not an attack, a slur or an insult on the American people but the rest of us around the world are sick to death of hearing about how wonderful the American State is whilst dodging bombs and bullets supplied by the same. What happened last year is that someone's patience simply ran out and, like a cornered beast, fought back. I personally believe the best thing would be for Americans to collar their senators and congressmen and get them to give more information about the foreign policy over the media and in greater detail. Perhaps then the American State won't be permitted to try to get away with what it has been trying to do all along and thus, in turn, will prevent another outrage like last year's. May I ask that we all take our grieving elsewhere and to do it privately and, for those who are of a religious nature, call upon their Gods in peace and quiet? This is my last word on-forum about this matter. Sincere Best wishes to all Malc -----Original Message----- From: Remie Bolte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 September 2002 18:29 To: ActiveServerPages Subject: Re: 11 september 2002 as if it wasn't the choice of the american society to neglect the fact that they are/were abusing the world and so creating enemies capable of returning the favor. in fact, the ones america has pointed as quilty, without trial or even descent prove, are trained and supplied by the same country they attacked. so i quess you can see the attacks on the WTC as the cancer caused by smoking up the planet. Regards Remie Bolte P.S. with this being my 3th post i will no longer respond to this topic. For as i agree with rob's view, altough he didn't pick the right words to adres it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ActiveServerPages" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: RE: 11 september 2002 Yea because september 11th and lung cancer from someone's choice to smoke cigarettes are pretty much the same thing. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:50 AM Posted To: Active Server Pages Conversation: 11 september 2002 Subject: Re: 11 september 2002 Roberts reasonable suggestion was that this conversation would be more suitable in a different forum..........and he is right in saying so. As tragic as 9/11 was, and it was horrendous, the number of deaths pales in comparision with for example, the number of people that die yearly from cancer and heart disease caused by smoking cigarettes. However I'm almost certain that most members of this list would not appreciate it if I or anyone else used this forum to get on a soapbox espousing the evils of tobacco. Certainly many of us including myself occasionally slip in an MS Access or Javascript question because it is closely related to our .ASP development and the expertise in web development in general is recognized and appreciated. But I feel we should try to keep our OT topics to those that have some relationship to the main topic and by all means politics and religion and anything even close to those should definitely be discussed in a more suitable forum. Quoting Joe Sabado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is a response to Robert Chartier -- trendy??? tell that to the > families and friends of the people who died that day who have to cope > with the tragedy for the rest of their lives. > > > > > From: "Paul Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2002/09/11 Wed AM 09:29:45 PDT > > To: "ActiveServerPages" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: 11 september 2002 > > > > Yea that was pretty messed up Rob. There are some of us Americans > > who > aren't too proud of the way things have been handled since 9/11 or the > events that probably fueled it, but we aren't talking about any > propoganda or trend at all here. It was a simple gesture to remember > those who were lost-- no matter what/why it happened, it's still an > even that should NOT have taken place. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: EXT-Sauceda, Gilbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Posted At: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:17 AM > > Posted To: Active Server Pages > > Conversation: 11 september 2002 > > Subject: RE: 11 september 2002 > > > > > > Trendy? Do you even have a conscience? > > I too am tired of the coverage, but I wouldn't call it a trend. > > > > I have the right to speak my mind. Don't I? > > Regardless, I do wish the public would give this much effort and > > attention > to the investigation of the event, as well. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Chartier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:12 PM > > To: ActiveServerPages > > Subject: RE: 11 september 2002 > > > > > > > > Remie with all due respect is this an appropriate list to post this > > too? Im > sure there are many of us that do NOT believe in the same ideals > (nor the > propaganda) as most Americans do, especially regarding this trendy topic. > > > > Turn on your TV, you will hear all of this 10x over within the hour > > each > hour, yes even here in Canada. ~tiresome. > > > > I emplore you and others who feel the need to respond to take this > conversation off of this list, and into an appropriate forum. > > > > > > ---trying to NOT be too politically incorrect, and no disrespect > > intended > to any member of this forum-- > > > > /rob > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Remie Bolte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:04 PM > > To: ActiveServerPages > > Subject: 11 september 2002 > > > > > > For being 6 ours earlier, I will be the first to remind, honour and > reflect > > > > almost 1 year ago, 14:50 local dutch time, i was on this same list > > when > several messages were post stating that an airplane had crashed in the > World Trade Center in New York. Nearly 15 minutes later the second > plane flew in and it was clear that New York was the setting of a > disaster alone in its kind. > > > > Let us truly remember those that were killed innocent. > > Let us truly honour those that were killed innocent. > > > > having said that it is also time to reflect. And trough reflection > > there > will be time to > > Remember those that die innocent every day in order to make the > > western > society, the american dream, possible > > Honour those that die innocent by aknowledging the fact that > > they died > to make our food, clothes, technical and chemical > > supplies. And with that aknowledgement we should not only look > > at what > the world did to us, but what we are doing to the > > world. > > > > Let the innocent live, both in the US, and in the rest of the world. > > my > sympathie goes out to all who has lost friends, relativs and complete > strangers in the world. > > > > regards > > > > Remie Bolte > > > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to activeserverpages as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to activeserverpages as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to activeserverpages as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002 > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002 > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to activeserverpages as: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > %%email.unsub%% > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to activeserverpages as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% > --- You are currently subscribed to activeserverpages as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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