Hi Erik,

I like that idea ... sometimes it might help to ask questions to make
some LIRs start reflecting what they are actually doing. (But to be
honest I prefer a single LIR requesting 100 ASN over a single person
opening 100 LIRs, to bypass that rule and gather some IP-V4 as
"side-effect" ;) )

@Gert: you are absolutely right when pointing it out that 16bit actually
are already excluded explicitly ... think I was still to (amster)damaged
when writing my last mail ... sorry ;)

BR
Jens
On 16.05.2015 14:17, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote:
> Hi Jens,
> 
> As we are talking about AS numbers and implicit about BGP .. Lets take the 
> following approach ... 
> 
> Ask the NCC to use a max-prefix kind of warning system in the hand-out / 
> provisioning software ..
> 
> A 95% warning level at ( arbitrary number 100 AS nr's ). To start asking 
> questions on what the LIR is doing .. A full stop handing out at the 100% of 
> the $arbitrary-number ... And the NCC will have to manually increase the 
> number by another $amount. Same as every ISP does on an Internet Exchange 
> with $peer that trips their max-prefix number .... 
> 
> That can be implemented in the backend .. And the majority of the LIR's will 
> never trip the max-resource level .. But the ones that do .. Can be directed 
> to the IPRA's and provide additional insight on what the hell they think they 
> are doing ... And if they are not providing a sufficient use case that 
> satisfies the IPRA, their request to increase the $arbitraty-number won't be 
> increased ... So they can't request additional resources. 
> 
> This suggested deployment setup doesn't need to be put in stone in the 
> policy, but as a request to the NCC in the introduction or rationale .. To 
> keep the policy text clear and the NCC can reply to it in their IA ..
> 
> Just my 2 cents ... 
> 
> Erik Bais. ( now a bit more awake that this morning ) ... 
> 
>> Op 16 mei 2015 om 12:26 heeft Opteamax GmbH <[email protected]> het volgende 
>> geschreven:
>>
>> Erik and all,
>>
>> I think your idea to exclude 16Bit ASN from the proposal brings us much
>> closer to consensus.
>>
>> Nevertheless I think we should start discussing about how to "enhance"
>> garbage collection, but this should IMHO not be part of discussion on
>> _this_ proposal.
>>
>> BR Jens
>>
>>> On 16.05.2015 09:11, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote:
>>> Hi Gert,
>>>
>>> There are a couple things that I keep reading and hearing in the discussion 
>>> here.. 
>>>
>>> Run-out of 16 bit as's and garbage collection.. 
>>>
>>> May I suggest to Job to look into the following to see if that would fit 
>>> his plan moving forward and is in line with what the community thinks is 
>>> acceptable. ( personally I don't have a specific preferrence ) 
>>>
>>> Exclude the 16 bit AS's from the removal of the multihoming requirement. ( 
>>> so it stays as it is currently ) and ask the NCC to keep a close look on 
>>> the number of requested AS's per entity to avoid stockpiling and give them 
>>> the silent 'right' to question and stop abuse of what we are trying to 
>>> achieve here.  Also the NCC should include resource garbage collection in 
>>> the ARC's and if that is not enough, report that to the community during 
>>> the ripe meeting ncc update. 
>>>
>>> The above mentioned suggestion could bring us closer to consensus.. It is 
>>> not something I have a strong feeling about. It is a suggestion that one 
>>> can look at. 
>>>
>>> Personally I would go for version 1 of the proposal, no limitations and in 
>>> addition ask the ncc to look close to any abusive behaviour. 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erik Bais
>>>
>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>>>
>>>> Op 15 mei 2015 om 14:34 heeft Gert Doering <[email protected]> het volgende 
>>>> geschreven:
>>>>
>>>> Dear AP WG,
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 04:57:20PM +0100, Marco Schmidt wrote:
>>>>> The Review Period for the proposal 2014-03, "Remove Multihoming 
>>>>> Requirement for 
>>>>> AS Number Assignments" has been extended until 19 May 2015.
>>>>
>>>> So - we extended this to wait for the AGM decision on "charging for AS
>>>> numbers".  The AGM decided, and the clear majority decide to not introduce
>>>> annual charges for AS numbers - my life would be easier otherwise, but
>>>> this is what was decided, so respect it and see how we can achive our
>>>> goals here :-)
>>>>
>>>> Feedback for this proposal so far was, if I simplify a bit
>>>>
>>>> - we want to take care not to exhaust 16bit-ASNs
>>>> - there is unlimited number of 32bit ASNs
>>>>   (but there *also* was feedback about "N. from I. could go out and
>>>>   register all 4 billion 32bit ASNs, and exhaust the system"... now what?)
>>>>
>>>> - we might want a garbage collection / reclamation mechanism
>>>>
>>>> - the current policy text is too complicate, arbitrary numbers are bad
>>>>
>>>> but there *is* quite a bit of support for the generic idea of "loosen up
>>>> the rules for 32bit ASNs, as the multihoming requirement is often hard
>>>> or impossible to demonstrate or check".
>>>>
>>>> So, what should we (or, more precise, the proposers) do to get there?
>>>>
>>>> Nick, I'm actually looking at you since you threw the most sand into the
>>>> gears here...  some specific suggestions how you'd tackle this would 
>>>> be welcome.
>>>>
>>>> (Technically, I see no other way than to change text and do another round
>>>> of IA/review phase with the feedback we've received until now - if, based
>>>> on the new background from AGM, everybody who has objected so far is now
>>>> accepting this at it stands to go forward - please say so!)
>>>>
>>>> Gert Doering
>>>>       -- APWG chair
>>>> -- 
>>>> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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>>>
>>
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