On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 15:19 +0100, Philippe Gerum wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 12:53 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote: > > Philippe Gerum wrote: > > > On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 19:19 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote: > > >> Philippe Gerum wrote: > > >>> On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 18:48 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote: > > >>>> Philippe Gerum wrote: > > >>>>> On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 22:37 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote: > > >>>>>> Recent moving of ipipe_suspend_domain finally exposed a deeper flaw > > >>>>>> in > > >>>>>> cpu_idle on x86: We failed to check the pipeline log before issuing > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> real hlt. This caused IRQ latencies or even drops for Linux, > > >>>>>> specifically on SMP. Credits go to plain QEMU whose slow SMP mode > > >>>>>> caused > > >>>>>> ipipe_critical_enter to deadlock frequently enough. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The first patch of this series fixes this (see below), the second one > > >>>>>> simply removes the two useless ipipe_suspend_domain calls. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> What your patch does as well, is killing the ability to run low > > >>>>> priority > > >>>>> domains below the root level. > > >>>> Yes, I'm killing the dream. > > >>>> > > >>>> I heavily doubt that the functions I removed in the second patch ever > > >>>> contributed something good to this. It's always the job of the lowest > > >>>> domain to issue hardware halt, not of some arbitrary mid-prio domain. > > > > > > Actually, no it's not. You may use a low-priority domain to run idle > > > level jobs outside of the linux infrastructure for that purpose (e.g. > > > RCU). A high priority domain may want to post events for a low priority > > > domain to act upon when a mid priority domain is about to enter the CPU > > > idle state. > > > > Even if all the related bugs were fixed: When you pass down control to > > the lower domain on cpu_idle via ipipe_suspend_domain, you won't get a > > Linux reschedule (without CONFIG_PREEMPT) until the low-prio domain > > finally returns from its event handler - likely not what "low-prio" > > suggests. > > low prio suggests nothing else than "runs whenever nothing else has to > be done higher in the pipeline".
Nothing, meaning nothing interrupt-wise. For the rest, it's a deal between all OSes there. > I just don't get why you seem to bind > the Linux rescheduling logic with what a low prio domain would do; by > definition, adeos-wise, both are totally non-related. > > > > > > > > >>>> Moreover, what would be the practical use for such model in the context > > >>>> of Linux? > > >>> That is _not_ the point. The point is, when submitting a patch, please > > >>> make sure to raise all the concerns it might introduce wrt to changing > > >>> the base features. I'm not opposed to make the feature set evolve, but I > > >>> don't want this to happen "by mistake". > > >> Just pushed > > >> > > >> "x86: Drop redundant ipipe_suspend_domain from cpu_idle > > >> > > >> Allowing domains below root always required more than these calls (Linux > > >> would have to give up idle management). And syncing the root domain now > > >> takes place in __ipipe_halt_root. So remove these suspension calls." > > >> > > >> as commit message for the second patch. Is that what you are looking for? > > >> > > > > > > Not exactly, because your comment states that what was removed was > > > intrinsically useless, it was not, and has been used, even if only in a > > > couple of occasions, mainly to enable a debugging hack. This is why I > > > choked on removing a feature silently. But at the same time, we are in a > > > simplification trend of the I-pipe toward X3, so I agree on the final > > > goal you are pursuing with that patch. > > > > > > In short, let's move on, I'll merge that as well, now that everything is > > > on the table, and there is no objection anyway. > > > > I couldn't agree more. :) > > > > Jan > > > > -- Philippe. _______________________________________________ Adeos-main mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/adeos-main
