I just read some of the incubator mails (sent by Noel)
this website is mentioned for checking if the *desired* name (in this case Trinidad) is already taken by a software http://www.nameprotect.com/ -Matthias On 6/14/06, Manfred Geiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, I'm also quite sure that we are done. And, keep in mind that Trinidad is only the shortname, anyway. The full "trademark" will be "Apache Trinidad" (or "Apache MyFaces Trinidad" ;-) It's like "Faces" (common word, no trademark) and "JavaServer(tm) Faces". Manfred On 6/13/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, definitely so. > > Using the available trademark search bases is what the incubator process > suggests. > > regards, > > Martin > > On 6/13/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I guess for that part we are really done. > > > > ;) > > > > On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to > > > make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have > > > done. > > > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some > > foundation > > > > wide assets. > > > > > > > > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the > > acquisition > > > > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Frank, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks > > ([1]). > > > > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :) > > > > > > > > > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher > > > > > level. > > > > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out. > > > > > > > > > > -Matthias > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks > > > > > > > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in > > > > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this > > > > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local > > > > > > entries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a > > > > > > more > > > > > > > formal, legally complete method. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that > > > > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100% > > > > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country. > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and > > > > > > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some > > > > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately, > > > > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global > > > > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it > > > > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered. > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can > > > > > > tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank Felix > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM > > > > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF > > > > > > Faces donation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a > > > > > > more > > > > > > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100% > > > > > > sure, > > > > > > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks > > > > > > > could be searched with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5. > > > > > > 1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like > > > > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names. > > > > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take > > > > > > by > > > > > > > companies > > > > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing > > > > > > like that. > > > > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit > > > > > > more... that > > > > > > > > might be related to software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of > > > > > > Spain :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good night, > > > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Matthias, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do > > > > > > > > > > > > > some sort of > > > > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can > > > > > > help. > > > > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad), > > > > > > make it > > > > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi ADF community, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new > > > > > > > > > > > > > name. Lot's > > > > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted > > > > > > on > > > > > > > that names. > > > > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the name > > > > > > > > > > "Trinidad". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary > > > > > > is > > > > > > > know known as "Trinidad". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18 > > > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten > > > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > > > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18 > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > > Aechterhoek 18 > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > > > Courses in English and German > > > > > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthias Wessendorf > > Aechterhoek 18 > > 48282 Emsdetten > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > > > > > > -- > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >
-- Matthias Wessendorf Aechterhoek 18 48282 Emsdetten blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
