Yes, I do keep an eye on our media and cycle "old" TSM tapes.  We have about
300 tapes onsite, 400 offsite.

Because TSM expires data based on policy and not on tape cycles, you do have
the possibility of getting a few tapes that are very old.  Because, as you
said, the first backup from a client tends to be a large chunk, most of
which does not change.

Now "old" is a relative term that is going to depend a lot on your
situation.

I don't want any of our tapes to be more than 2 years old.  Not because I
worry about having media older than that, but because of microcode levels.
We started with 3490 drives, which were no problem because it was a stable
technology.  But then we went to DLT for a short while, then STK9840's.  For
both DLT and 9840's, the drive microcode gets upgraded 2-4 times a year.

I don't want to be in the position of trying to read a tape that is 10
generations of microcode older than my drives  -  nothing good can come of
that, and it's easy to prevent.

Now in practice I find I rarely have to cycle any tapes manually.  Most of
the tapes recycle naturally, anyway, and many of our clients don't exist
more than 3 years because the hardware gets upgraded so frequently!

Anyway, I check on it about once a year.  Find maybe 5 tapes I decide to
move manually.  You could easily create a script to do it on a weekend.....


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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mansfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Lifespan of media


I can't find a machine in our shop to read a 5.25" floppy.  The lifetime of
the media sometimes exceeds the lifetime of the technology.  This is a
particular problem with very long term archival.  Even if the drive can
read the tape, the software needs to be able to interpret it, which TSM has
done pretty well with so far (but it is a proprietary format).

On another topic:  does anybody cycle their TSM tapes?  I suspect that the
"base" backup tapes for the operating system and other unchanging files
tend to not get reclaimed very often.  I know that I could do a query on
the volume for last write date and do a move data from the old tape, but
I'm curious to know if anyone out there does this.  Veritas and the rest
automatically cycle their tapes via their "expiration" process.

_____________________________
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc




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DLT is 3 years
3590 is 10 years
WORM is 100 years
CD - don't know, but a lot I would guess


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Subject: Lifespan of media

Hi TSM-ers,

how long can I safely store data on different kind of media?
For longterm archiving I need to know the lifespan of DLT, 3590,
CD, WORM ...
Is there a source on the internet for such information?

Kind regards
Thomas Rupp
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Vorarlberger Illwerke AG
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