We do this by declaring two separate nodes on the TRU64 systems.  The base
node (base) is for the OS and all database files are excluded.  We do backup
the redologs under base but use a different management class so that we do
not keep them as long.  On the weekend we do our cold backups of just the
data base files with Oracle down using the node name, base_cold.  In the
dsm.opt for base_cold we use domain statements so that we do not go over the
files systems that are not DB file systems.  This has worked very well for
us in the past.


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Schering-Plough Corp.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: include/exclude list


Will someone please explain the pitfalls of changing the include/exclude
list as it relates to this issue. We have a server that is running Oracle.
There is no TDP for True64 so we're stuck with what we have, the client.
Backing up open Oracle files is a waste of time because we know from testing
restores they are no good. I've suggested to the admins to exclude those
open files from nightly backups because of this. We're talking about
60-70GB. This times 21, the number of versions they have for me is a lot of
space.

I'd like to know if my understanding is correct. If a file is not in the
exclude list then it's backed up, that's an easy one. If it's changed
nightly and been backed up for 3 weeks I have 21 copies. If I now exclude
the file it's not backed up any longer, however what happens to the 21
copies I have in place? Are they all expired immediately except the last one
and removed from the system?

The problem is we "would" be stopping the database on weekends and getting
good backups. If editing the exclude list would force the good copies to go
away then we could not live with that. If there is a way to exclude them
some days and then include them other days and still keep 21 good copies
then would someone please help me to accomplish this. I'm to the point I can
use all the free space I can, got about 20 clients that need backups but I
don't have the space yet.

Thanks for the help.

Geoff Gill
TSM Administrator
NT Systems Support Engineer
SAIC
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