I don't know why it is designed as it is. Perhaps the overhead in a more
granular resolution would affect performance (imagine if several apps were
repeatedly hammering away at the same file over an extended period of
time). But that is just a guess.
Regards,
Andy
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IBM Software Group
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Zoinks. What kind of stupid filesystem is that? Back to testing. Thanks
for the info, Andy.
Alex
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Hi Alex,
I believe that on NTFS, last access time has a resolution of 1 hour. Thus
if the file was accessed within the last hour, accessing it again won't
change the last access time. If the file was accessed over an hour ago,
then accessing the file will change the last access time. So in some
cases, yes, it is possible that if TSM access the file, it won't cause the
last access time to change. It depends on when the file was last accessed
prior to the TSM backup.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
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The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
Alex Paschal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Andy,
What exactly is the issue? Personally, during my testing, it looked like
the TSM client maintained the last access date and NTFS didn't
automatically
update the Last Access date as you describe when TSM accessed the file (on
WinNT4 SP6, I think). The updated access time issues I encountered had to
do with interoperability with the McAfee virus scan software. Here is the
message I posted with one of my actual tests copied and pasted in it.
http://msgs.adsm.org/cgi-bin/get/adsm0109/460.html
I believe your statement that NTFS updates the Access Date when TSM access
the file possibly occurs under situations I didn't test. Could you give
us
more detail?
Thanks,
Alex Paschal
Storage Administrator
Freightliner, LLC
(503) 745-6850 phone/vmail
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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:32 PM
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This is a known issue, and we are working on a solution.
For what it is worth, TSM does not *actively* change the last access date;
this is a property of how the file system works, that any application that
touches a file will update the last access date. Applications that don't
"change" the last access date are almost certainly implicitly changing it
when they touch the file, but then resetting it when they are done. As I
mentioned above, we are working on resolving this ourselves.
For now, there isn't anything that can really be done about this. However,
TSM should normally only be touching files that have actually changed
(assuming that you do regular incremental backups). If that is the case,
then it can be assumed that if TSM is backing it up, it must have been
changed, and thus accessed by some other application; so it would not be
subject to your purge by last access date rule, anyway.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
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We have a couple of Windows file servers that we back up with the TSM
Windows client 4.1.2.14 to our TSM Windows 4.1.3.0 server. The file last
accessed date is set during the scheduled backup run and we do not know
how
to stop it. We want to run purges based on the last accessed date but we
are stymied.
Any useful suggestion are most urgently needed.
Thanks.
Allan Kelly.
