Hello fellow *SMers, even if I do not like the answer we've found it. According to IBM EMEA Announcement Letter ZP02-0172 (http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/emealets&parms=H_ERIFZP020172), Section "Ordering IBM Tivoli Products" "One or more charge units are associated with each product. These charge units are: - Processors managed by the product - Clients managed by the product - Distributed servers managed by the product - zSeries processors managed by the product - Processors in which the managing server is installed" Processors are based upon TSM server and TSM *nodes* processors if they are servers in customer application environment. If it is a workstation (appl. client) it requires "client" license and no "processors". So if we have an (imaginary) ISM installation consisting of dual-processor TSM server, cluster of two four-processor Oracle servers, uniprocessor file server, uniprocessor MDC and 20 dual-processor Xeon/2GHz CAD stations, we would need 12 "processor" and 20 "client" charge units for IBM TSM (5698-ISM) or IBM TSM EE (5698-ISE) and (optional) eight processors for IBM TSM for Databases (5698-APD). Right now I cannot calculate all possible configurations nor predict any averages or stats but for some configurations price would change slightly while for some others will drop significantly. OTOH I can make (not so) artificial configuration which would have an increased price. This raises the issue how to migrate Tivoli Management Points from Value-Based Pricing to Processors and Clients in Enhanced VBP. Also another question to ask is - does a customer need to buy additional licenses to keep its license compliance. This is another story and I have to dig more.
Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: New Tivoli licensing - what "processor" mean The per processor charge does not apply to the client. It only applies to the server. The thing to remember with 5.1, is that there are two different versions of the server and client. The Base version and the Enterprise Version. The Enterprise Edition server has a higher per processor price than the base version and the enterprise edition of the client code has a higher price per client than the base version. Now what we used to call the TDPs has been repackaged and they are also now priced on a per processor basis as well. These products are called Tivoli Storage Manager for Database, for Mail, for Hardware etc. -----Original Message----- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Zlatko Krastev Sent: April 13, 2002 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Tivoli licensing - what "processor" mean Processors in which machine(s)? If this is only server processors it is little bit surprising to me (according to price book I look at processor costs less than 200 Euro). If it is for client processors as well the price goes too high. Could you be so kind to provide exact Tivoli description from the licensing document within the box. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: New Tivoli licensing - what "processor" mean Processor means the number of CPUs. For example if you have an RS6000 with 4 CPUs, that is 4 processors. The new pricing is based on the number of CPUs/processors in the machine. -----Original Message----- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Zlatko Krastev Sent: April 13, 2002 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Tivoli licensing - what "processor" mean Hello *SMers, I still need to obtain an answer what is hidden behind the new "processor" term in Tivoli licensing scheme. It is not only in ISM but also in Monitoring, Configuration Manager, etc. After looooong reading of all announcement letters issued by IBM on 9.04 I still got not answer. The only light at the end of the tunnel was URL in one of them (http://www.tivoli.com/products/licensing/). The hope was dead when I looked at the page. There were two links (named "Definitions for Tivoli Enhanced Value-Based Pricing (Word doc) updated 03-28-2002" and "Definitions for Tivoli Value-Based Pricing (Word doc) updated 11-05-2001") but suprisingly they pointed to same URL . Those silly *!$&%$!*es have put their licensing into a MS Word file (hello Gates, it's time for you to start using Lotus Domino). Moreover as you can expect the correct link was the one dated 11-05-2001. Trying to get answer soon I've filled the form at IBM's site both as web-site feedback and software inquiry. Even working very close with Software Division rep at IBM Bulgaria (here IBM does not have Tivoli dedicated person) I filled another form asking Tivoli rep to contact me. The only answer was from web feedback. When I calm down I would be able to laugh on this answer but right now I am out of my skin. "Thank you for contacting IBM. In response to your inquiry for the Trivoli Licence agreement term for "processor" ....." and later pointed to toll-free number in U.S. Feeling this is not enough the letter continued with IBM Bulgaria's phone number but with one digit less. Yes, right, Trivoli !! It was written three times and all three were Trivoli. And in their database even the phone numbers are not correct. I suspect this man did not had any info about IBM Bulgaria's web site or he should make a mistake pointing the URL as well. So please, please, please, any of you who already got their ISM v5.1 sched some light what is "processor" in Tivoli terms. Or anyone reading this at Tivoli. I deadly need to make a quote for a customer (till day before yesterday :-(( ). I have all the prices but do not know how much processor licenses I have to put for ISM, APD and APR (IBM TSM, IBM TSM for Databases and IBM TSM for ERP). Thank you for the help. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant
