Dear larry,

lot of my costumers has, for sample the "old version of Scanview, in work,
with sample fs/DB Servers.

In the best cas they have 12-96GB DB on it (By 99% used). Make big files 8GB
DB and Log...
For better perfomance..

Cheers Norbert


with kind regards / mit freundlichen Gruessen

Norbert Martin
High End Storage Consultant
DISK / TAPE / SAN / TSM

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The current aviable space by using changing and new servers (incremental) is
abolutly normal.
TSM 4.1 to 4.2 600-6550 Byte per changes (File)
TSM 3.7 ca. 360 - 500 Bytes to.

The total capacity by "normaly" fimes is ca. 0,600 to 5 TB dh. 16GB to DB
64GB in use...

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Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von
Kelly J. Lipp
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. April 2002 00:35
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Betreff: Re: TSM DB Max Size (how scalable is TSM?)


I have two real-life examples: 110 GB on a Windows platform, 180 GB on a
Mainframe platform.  Backup times on the Windows system a little over two
hours, 2.5 hours to restore the db.  I don't know about the Mainframe site.

Much larger than we've seen in the past seems to be just fine.

Kelly J. Lipp
Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc.
PO Box 51313
Colorado Springs, CO 80949
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www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com
(719)531-5926
Fax: (240)539-7175


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Gerald Wichmann
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TSM DB Max Size (how scalable is TSM?)


Hmm at 66.5% you're using more like 7,820MB of DB space. With 22,760,941
files that's more like (7,820,000,000 / 22,760,941) 343 bytes per file. The
TSM admin guide says for each backup version you calculate 400-600 bytes
(they use 600) and for each copy pool 100-200 bytes. So with their numbers
it's more like 500-800 bytes per file vs your "real world" 343 bytes.

If I calculate with 343 bytes per file I get:

625,000,000 * 343 = 214,375,000,000 bytes = 214GB DB

Much smaller then 500GB but still very large.

All in all my question remains. How much can a single TSM server handle? Is
there a limit to DB size? Does performance degrade once the DB reaches a
certain size?

Gerald Wichmann
Sr. Systems Development Engineer
Zantaz, Inc.
925.598.3099 w
408.836.9062 c

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TSM DB Max Size

Hi:
We have an assigned capacity on our DB of  11,760 MB, of which 66.5 % is
currently in use. We have  22760941 files, which represent      4953359.67
MB in physical storage, and includes copypool data.  This are actual numbers
that do not jive with your calculations.


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My environment could be up to 25TB and 625,000,000 files. According to the
TSM 4.2 Admin Guide to calculate the size of my DB I multiply that by 600
bytes..

625,000,000 * 600 = 375,000,000,000 bytes = 375,000,000 KB = 375,000 MB =
375 GB

There also needs to be an offsite copypool of this data.. According to the
TSM 4.2 Admin Guide:

625,000,000 * 200 = 125,000,000,000 bytes = 125GB

So my DB needs to be 500GB, yikes..

How big can one scale a single TSM server installation up to before you need
to start thinking about additional TSM servers? I.e. in this instance can my
TSM server even handle this amount of data? How much could it handle?

Gerald Wichmann
Sr. Systems Development Engineer
Zantaz, Inc.
925.598.3099 w
408.836.9062 c

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