It depends on the size of  your library too.   We don't Collocate and we had a 
Disaster Recovery test and it was successful.  We had time on our hand too with the 36 
hours time limits


David C. Pearson
IS Production Support Analyst
System & Network Service
Snohomish County PUD # 1

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Theresa Sarver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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        Yikes!  Okay, point(s) taken...Copypool set back to collate @ node level!  

        Thanks again;
        Theresa

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        Hi, I fully agree. Specially after the experience of restoring one single
        destroyed tape in primary pool that implied mounting 85 copy tapes!!

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        -----Original Message-----
        From: Cook, Dwight E [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
        Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:05 PM
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        Subject: Re: To Collate or Not to Collate? - UPDATE


        Allen makes a critical implied statement of YOU MUST TEST YOUR RECOVERY PLAN
        !
        If not and you have to use it and it doesn't go smooth...
        Personally, I classify myself as probably being at the lowest place on the
        earth... and even if something were to initially miss me, it would
        undoubtedly/eventually settle on top of me! ! !
        So... you request the test and state its requirement as to ensure
        functionality.
        If management says "no", make sure and put together a few things on what
        ~might~ go wrong like potentially 36 hours of nothing but tape mounts &
        dismounts to restore just a single server (if like in Allen's case where 800
        tapes were required)
        Then make sure and save all the e-mails (print out and lock in a fireproof
        safe) so you can mount a defense later ;-)

        Dwight

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Allen Barth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
        Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:31 PM
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        Subject: Re: To Collate or Not to Collate? - UPDATE


        Glad you found it!

        However, regarding the collocation=no issue on copypools....

        Having done TSM DR recoveries at an offsite location a few times, let me
        share my experiences.   When I started with TSM I had one copypool with
        colloc=no.  We then did our first DR recovery test where my goal was to
        recover the TSM server and ONE other AIX client.  The base os (AIX) was to
        restored via sysback, user filesystems via TSM.   Originally this required
        the ENTIRE copypool (800+ tapes back then) to be sent from the vault to
        the DR location as TSM provides no command to see which vols would be
        needed for a client node restore (hint, hint, IBM).   Since then I've been
        able to put an SQL query together to get that info but it takes quite a
        while to execute.  This trims down the number of tapes, but the number of
        tapes was still quite large(100 +).  Furthermore, the number of tape mount
        requests during the restore was astronomical, as tapes were requested
        multiple times.  After re-thinking TSM and DR needs, I now have a
        separated stgpool tree for unix data.   Collocation is enabled for both
        primary and copypools.  At the last DR test, the number of tapes needed
        from the vault was further reduced to around 40, and the restore process
        took significantly less time.   Let's not forget to factor in the time
        required for physical tape processing (mount delay, seek time, rewind,
        unload).   This can add up to significant wall time.

        Regards,
        Al

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