Have yuo tried to use TSM Client 6.1.2 for Windows (just anonced)? There is quite serious improvement for SYSTEMSTATE.
________________________________________ From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Bullock [[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Win2008 System State So, we all seem to agree that the Windows 2008 SystemState is very large (seems to be about 6GB on a fresh 2008 R2 installation), but is there anything we can do about it? It looks like it does a FULL copy of everything in the SystemState every night. I've never really paid attention to the SystemState backups, is that the way it's always worked? A FULL every night? No TSM incremental-forever magic? OK, so if we are saying "that's just how it's going to be" what are folks doing about it? There seems to be a few possible issues: - Bandwidth issues to clients with slow connections. - The size in the storagepools of those larger SystemStates. - The lengthening of the backup windows on all hosts because of the time needed to check/backup the systemstate. Changing the retention policy or dedupe can help with the large size they will take on disk/tape, but I'm not sure what can be done about the other 2 issues? We are rolling out a bunch of 2008 servers and as each host is upgraded, the backup goes from 5 minutes to ~1 hour to backup. My TSM server is going to get hammered: number of serviced connections are going to go way up as connections linger longer, the amount of data sent from the TSM server to the client to compare is now ~400MB, hitting the TSM DB pretty hard, overall TSM server performance is going to suffer and I might have to buy more horsepower/storage just to support the 2008 SystemState. Options? Anyone? Anyone? Buhler? Does TSM have some magic up it's sleeve in a future version that can help us? (I just started testing the 6.1.2 version that just came out, but it behaves the same with the systemstate). About all I can think of is not backing up the systemstate or perhaps only backing it up once a week, but neither of those are good options. Anybody else concerned about this or am I just being "the boy who cried ARMAGEDDON"? Ben -----Original Message----- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew Raibeck Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Win2008 System State I am not aware of any links off-hand to any official Microsoft statements. Why would your customer doubt this? Alternatives that come to mind: - Take a look at the install footprint of a base Windows 2003 vs. Windows 2008: Windows 2003: C:\Windows has 16,000 files/3 GB Windows 2008: C:\Windows has 71,000 files/15 GB There are, of course, other files, but the size of C:\Windows alone is very telling. - If you do a google search on "windows 2008 system state size", you'll probably find some credible, albeit anecdotal evidence of the size. - If you run a TSM backup-archive client "backup systemstate" command, you'll see the size. - If you get the VSS SDK, it comes with the vshadow.exe tool that you can use to get a sense of the size: vshadow -p -wm2 > youroutputfile Then review the output. Run the same command on Windows 2003 and compare the sizes. There is clearly a lot more in the 2008 version. - If your customer needs to hear it from Microsoft, then perhaps this is a question to ask directly of Microsoft. Best regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Product Development Level 3 Team Lead Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Hartford/i...@ibmus Internet e-mail: [email protected] IBM Tivoli Storage Manager support web page: http://www.ibm.com/software/sysmgmt/products/support/IBMTivoliStorageManager.html The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[email protected]> wrote on 10/28/2009 10:46:19 AM: > [image removed] > > Win2008 System State > > Christian Svensson > > to: > > ADSM-L > > 10/28/2009 10:47 AM > > Sent by: > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[email protected]> > > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > Hi Guys, > Does anyone have a link to Microsoft where it says that Win2008 > System State Backup is much bigger then Windows 2003 System State? > I need to prove for a customer that System State and System Services > is much bigger now with Windows Server 2008 and we need to setup > some policies for System State? > > > Best Regards > Christian Svensson > > Cell: +46-70-325 1577 > E-mail: [email protected] > Skype: cristie.christian.svensson Please consider the environment before printing this Email. "This email message and any attachments transmitted with it may contain confidential and proprietary information, intended only for the named recipient(s). 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