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-----Original Message----- From: Marcus <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 05:00:14 To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> Subject: Re: Compassion . Yes I know what you mean. We suffer the illusion of free will. But in saying that we can choose not be slaves to the illusion. And yes, even freedom is part of the illusion but there lies the dilemma. If it’s all illusion and each one of shapes the illusion to suit our obsessions with pain and suffering. Then why not say well from now on I will shape my illusion in a different way ???? No-one cares really. Because it’s all your illusion. In essence ….. we all dig our own graves. I still maintain in a world of illusion you are the creator of yours. As am I. Pretend you have full control, what’s the difference ???? . On 6 July, 12:37, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > I could say you are since you're question creates a response.That > response is automatic,I think.However,the manner in which I respond > may or may not be.I mean,I could've just said fuck off or I could try > to answer intelligently.(Marko might say I have never answered > anything intelligently.) :) > > So,we control to the extent possible...which depends on? > > Ultimately we are being lived,I think. > > On Jul 6, 6:24 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > . > > > Interesting Rodger, > > > Who else is in control of you ??? > > > . > > > On 6 July, 12:20, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know about full control,Marcus.But I can get what you're > > > saying.No,not a new idea.Still a good one. > > > > On Jul 6, 6:13 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > . > > > > > Have you ever research the sacred law of reflection. > > > > It suggests that our interpretation of the world is a consequence of > > > > what we have inside our hearts and mind. > > > > > In other words. We see evil, boring and ugly things because that we > > > > can only observe reflections of our own condition. > > > > > It’s not a new idea. “as a man thinks, so shall he be” > > > > > We define all experiences by the instrument with which we measure. > > > > We define life experiences by what we are. > > > > > Take full control ......... shine your light. > > > > > . > > > > > On 6 July, 11:17, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Can I suggest you either didn't write this yourself? Or you haven't > > > > > read it properly if you find people at work "fucking boring" RS > > > > > > Sent from an iPhone > > > > > > On 2 Jul 2010, at 15:31, roomsearching <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If you see the deepest core of your existence as the same in > > > > > > everybody else, why would you go around killing others ? > > > > > > An enlightened person will value what he is. > > > > > > So he will value everyone else as himself. > > > > > > It is the beginning of true morality. > > > > > > Not for the sake of maintaining order in society or following the > > > > > > laws laid down by the government. > > > > > > It is just a natural way of being. > > > > > > Callousness of UG is also a projection. > > > > > > The Self is just peace. > > > > > > You want to be in solitude. > > > > > > To be left alone to yourself. > > > > > > Where is the projection here ? > > > > > > I would really like to go around and spread my love. > > > > > > But it is not an easy task. > > > > > > People have their daily routines and commitments. > > > > > > So there is no need to go around preaching. > > > > > > Just let them fuck themselves and suffer. > > > > > > I am an enlightened person and I have compassion. > > > > > > By compassion, I mean that there is no difference between me and > > > > > > anyone else at the level of the Self. > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Marcus > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > Why does an action need to be distinguished as compassionate or > > > > > > aggressive. Who is the judge ? > > > > > > > When Hitler murdered all those people he thought he was being > > > > > > compassionate toward the human gene-pool. > > > > > > Compassion was it when the Romans throw the Christians to the > > > > > > lions. > > > > > > > History has an endless string of real examples of our ability to be > > > > > > compassionate. > > > > > > > Compassion and aggression are simple labels within the essential > > > > > > world > > > > > > of dualistic illusions. This means they no substance within this > > > > > > illusion of reality. > > > > > > > Yet if someone chooses, they can also rise above this our illusion > > > > > > and reconnect with the whole. No enlightenment or awakening. > > > > > > Just a > > > > > > true purity of being. > > > > > > > Such people realise. Helping others, giving and loving are just > > > > > > the > > > > > > best way to share this illusion. > > > > > > What you judge as compassionate is simply common sense when truth is > > > > > > realised. > > > > > > > . > > > > > > On 2 July, 12:19, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > UG might say he is callous. > > > > > > > > But he did send a message to everyone to be free. That itself is > > > > > > > compassion. > > > > > > > > He may say he is callous. But he welcomed anyone who wanted to > > > > > > > talk to him > > > > > > > to his house. > > > > > > > > He used to meet thousands of people all over the world. > > > > > > > > A callous uncompassionate brute will not do such things. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Kuber Technologies < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Questioner: Is a person in the natural state compassionate? > > > > > > > > > U.G. Krishnamurti: That is your projection; they are callous, > > > > > > > > indifferent, > > > > > > > > unconcerned. 'Compassion' is one of the gimmicks of the 'holy > > > > > > > > business', > > > > > > > > sales talk. Do you think this individual is conscious that he > > > > > > > > is full of > > > > > > > > compassion? If he is, it is not compassion. > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > UG would not have know compassion even if it reared up and bit > > > > > > > > his natural > > > > > > > > ass. > > > > > > > > > The typical connotation of the term "compassion" is someone > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > compassionate( in whatever manner) to someone who needs to be > > > > > > > > compassionated. > > > > > > > > > Whether the natural state or the unnatural state(there being > > > > > > > > really no > > > > > > > > such distinction)... > > > > > > > > > ..there are no entities involved ......where...... as a nuance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > existing.... the flavour is of compassion, empathy, enmity or > > > > > > > > indifference. > > > > > > > > > That is to say......it is not that when some esoteric exalted > > > > > > > > state ofsagacity has happened...... only after that > > > > > > > > event.........there is no > > > > > > > > entity involved, there is no separation involved. > > > > > > > > > Non-entitification, non-separation, is the case, whether in > > > > > > > > the particularmilieu... > > > > > > > > > ... a sage (as held by the audience to be a sage) speaks to a > > > > > > > > seeker......or > > > > > > > > two warring nations threaten to obliterate the other .....in > > > > > > > > the name of > > > > > > > > democracy or in the name of Allah. > > > > > > > > > Whether it is seen to be acts of compassion or genocide...... > > > > > > > > > .....it is always the Duet of One. > > > > > > > > > In this Duet of One......compassion or empathy......is akin > > > > > > > > the rushingof the hand to cup the bleeding toe and ease the > > > > > > > > pain, when the toe got > > > > > > > > stubbed. > > > > > > > > > The compassionate hand does not see itself separate to the > > > > > > > > bleeding/painful toe. > > > > > > > > > Nor does it see itself as the same. > > > > > > > > > The ideation of separation or the ideation of > > > > > > > > non-separation...... > > > > > > > > > .....both are meaningless, irrelevant in the immediacy of the > > > > > > > > actioning. > > > > > > > > > Even the term "immediacy" is misleading for it suggests that > > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > some actions which are spontaneous and some which are delayed > > > > > > > > in time......being affected by deliberation, pondering, > > > > > > > > thinking etc etc. > > > > > > > > > The deliberation is immediate, the pondering is immediate, the > > > > > > > > reflection > > > > > > > > is immediate and the physical actualization of all these > > > > > > > > immediate mentations......into an action or series of actions > > > > > > > > (if at all).......is > > > > > > > > also immediate. > > > > > > > > > When there is nothing which is not immediate........the term > > > > > > > > immediacy > > > > > > > > becomes superfluous. > > > > > > > > > That is why the apperception of Advaita is the immediate > > > > > > > > primordial mirth > > > > > > > > at the concept of both Dvait as well as Advait.- Hide quoted > > > > > > > > text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
