>
> “Perhaps it is simpler to say that experience does not happen because
> there
> is a person experiencing.”
>
>
> How can you tell ??????
>

Because recent neuro science finds that the physical you responds to
stimulus a split second before the apparent you

How can any human tell ???
>

By designing machines which measure conscious responses in relation to
physical events

I am not questioning physicality here, just the notion we have that a
non-illusory individual personality exists separate from the physical event


> NDE’s   near death out of body experience perhaps.   But even these
> have all been reported by living humans,  even if they say they
> stopped living for a while, they clearly came back to the living to
> report their findings.
>

No, their minds constructed a reality based on the data it had about the
environment they were in before they passed out and constructed an
experience to verify the existence of a person when physical action could
not be taken for survival - the area of the brain that does this has been
identified by scientists. There are some interesting papers about the NDE
phenomena.


> No-one can experiance, experience without the vessel of being a
> person ???
>
> where are the non-persons ???
>

There are two of them lying on cushions in my living room experiencing
bliss. I fully expect them to catch mice later and then play tag with
whatever is to hand.

Mieow...


On Mar 21, 3:19 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Is this the apparent inverse logic which struggles to express.
> > > If there is no-one there to experience it then it can-not lay claim to
> > > exist.
> >
> > Oh but it can.
> >
> > Perhaps it is simpler to say that experience does not happen because
> there
> > is a person experiencing
> >
> > The apparent person shows up in the face of experience
> >
> > > Like,  there is a family human-alien hybrids living on the dark side
> > > of the moon.  No-one has ever seen them and they only visit this
> > > planet disguised as politicians.
> >
> > > Clearly, Human conscious awareness is bounded by the now.  Because we
> > > do show up in this now and also shows up is this surround, they are
> > > one.  That circumstance can only be the sum total of all that is
> > > humanly possible to experience of the whole.
> >
> > > “That I showed up”  is seen as the single event that makes manifest
> > > all illusion within the whole.
> >
> > Sure :)
>

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