Frans,

>         What's auto-persistence and in that light 'not
> auto-persisted' ?
> If these uber-vague terms without any real meaning aren't
> defined, this discussion ends up being a very academic
> babbling between people who don't understand the true meaning
> of what persistence really is. In that light, you said "Yeah,
> Thomas' post was crappy." No it wasn't. It was spot on. He
> clearly described what should be described.

To me Thomas' post was 'crappy' in the sense that it did not show any
respect to people participating in this discussion. IMHO, you can't just say
"you do not know what you're talking about, because you see things different
than I do". Yet, that's exactly what Thomas did and that's exactly what
you're doing right now.

If you're not sure what Jeff means by 'auto-persistence', then just ask him
to clarify; do not say that he does not understand the true meaning of
persistence.

Regards,

Stefan

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