You know what they should have build in instead of E&C? Step into method.
So that when you're on a statement like:
SomeMethod(foo.Property1, foo.Property2);
This is already in the debugger Frans ... double click on the method
name so it highlights the method then either right click it and say
step into or I believe the hot key (f11 by default) will also work ...
its one of those neat features noone knows about :)
Cheers,
Greg
On 10/18/06, Frans Bouma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please, read the comments too, there are a lot of comments
> explaining why E&C is a great tool. A tool should not be
> removed/forbidden, because it can be abused (in your NSHO).
I know the comments, and I don't see any reason why there's even 1 reason for
E&C. Mind you: if you need E&C and it's not
there, you can solve your problem two ways:
1) ask for E&C
2) change the way you debug software.
2) might sound stupid, but in this context it's not. Trust me, productive
finding and solving bugs doesn't need E&C. I never
use it (it's switched off) nor do I ever run into a situation where I need it.
You know what they should have build in instead of E&C? Step into
method. So that when you're on a statement like:
SomeMethod(foo.Property1, foo.Property2);
you directly step into SomeMethod instead of first into getter of
Property1 and Property2.
Sure, pressing F12, setting a breakpoint, F5, it somewhat works, but it
would have been a much better feature to have than
E&C.
But perhaps I miss something and my debugging skills are not that
productive, though I doubt it (I appologize to everyone
who finds that last remark arrogant)
FB
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frans Bouma
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 14:51
> To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Debugging: edit and continue, HOW?
>
> > Google searches for the last 15 minutes comes up with pages which
> > happily sing in harmony and joy, claiming edit & continue
> is back with
> > vs.net 2005. Being a complete dumb, I could not figure out
> the way it
> > works for asp.net.
> > In vs.net 2005 I have set a breakpoint in a web project,
> and changed
> > to code in the method (a button click handler
> > actually) . The result was a dialog telling me the code
> that is being
> > debugged has changed.
>
> as far as I know, E&C isn't available in asp.net
> scenario's, only in non-ASP.NET related projects, this
> because it's too cumbersome to restart the webprocess with
> the same state as it depends on IIS.
>
> > What I'd like to have is the mechanism I have in Eclipse and Java
> > (this is certainly not a flame war invitation, please stay
> calm.): I
> > get into a method, see that I have written something stupid, but I
> > have just spend my precious time to fill in the fields in
> the UI, and
> > in case i want to change the method, I have to stop
> debugging, change
> > code, compile, start app, perform all user functionality
> till I get to
> > the point I was before (think about a wizard with bulky pages) etc
> > etc. In Eclipse, I just change the method, press save, and the
> > debugger goes back to the beginning of the stack, with my precious
> > input still ready.
> > This is a huge time saver for me in development, and I'd
> love to use
> > it in vs.net 2005.
> > Any ideas?
>
> Well, one idea could be to drop E&C requiring coding styles.
> It's that simple. E&C propagates sloppy coding 'because you
> can fix it during debugging anyway', forgetting that
> debugging is costly and time consuming and should be avoided
> until the only way to determine what causes a bug is to start
> the debugger, carefully placing breakpoints etc.
>
> I never need E&C and still am productive in writing software.
> It's not that I do something special, it's just that most of
> the time, thinking for 1 minute saves you more than 5 minutes
> of debugging. For kicks, read my article why E&C isn't
> solving anything and how to debug software properly:
> http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma/archive/2003/08/01/22211.aspx
>
> FB
>
>
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