Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Or, rather, if we're so damn good, what images do we need to
*>promote to convince PHBs that a CLI-friendly Perl hacker is
*>an asset to his organization (with or without an IDE)?
Good people are hard to find and an IDE is a tool to help those who wish
to have collaborative projects and to make it more friendly. It's not for
everyone just as the CLI isn't for everyone. Choices are good.
*>I don't care who did it or how it happened. It has been done before,
*>it can be done again.
I didn't say that it couldn't. Easy installs, good marketing and a
shrinkwrapped box in bookstores were, in my estimation, a large part of
the success.
*>Sendmail is pushing Sendmail as an enterprise marketing solution.
*>And now Perl can be used to enhance Sendmail. Looks like a marketing
*>win to me.
USENIX, last I checked, is a technical conference. I would gather that the
paper will focus more on the technical aspects of the product than the
marketing aspects.
*>I'm getting pretty tired of "Perl advocates" that are resigned to
*>accept the forgotten stepchild status Perl has compared to Java and
*>spend all of their time slinging mud at Java instead of promoting Perl.
To say that one can promote the idea before delivering an actual product
is not slinging mud. I was complementing Sun for being aggressive in their
product marketing as once they have interest they can then find the money
to develop.
Perl is the forgotten stepchild because it has no organising force behind
it like Java, et.al.
*>Now Perl Soda is a prerequisite for getting enterprise adoption
*>for Perl? Please.
*Sigh* I wasn't being literal and I don't even like 7-up but the ad
campaign is brilliant which is what I was trying to point out. Branding at
its finest.
*>Yes, the cool Perl tshirt of the month is very important, and it
Yes, the 'perl is my bitch' shirt for YAPC::Europe should impress a few
executives. :)
*>And how many full page ads are out there that don't list Java? All
*>you've shown is that EMC doesn't care for Perl.
I'm not the marketing manager so I cannot say. However, that particular ad
was of note because it was advertising for jobs and that they list awk and
shell without Perl. I'd say at the very least it an oversight and possibly
even a deliberate omission. That's disappointing.
*>I forget who did the survey at TPC3, but one year ago there were more
Has anyone done a follow-up of said survey?
*>PHBs know about Perl.
I know about Java too, but that doesn't mean I use it. Knowing it exists
and making a commitment to use it are different things.
*>Occasionally they think it's slow, unreliable and not ready for prime time.
*>This is what we need to fix.
Then give them something that works, give them an 'enterprise solution'.
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