It is (kind of) nice to see that we have not totally dropped this
subject. First off, defamation is defined as making untrue statements
that injure someone's character or otherwise by making public facts
about another that, although true, are not in the public interest (for
example, if a person had a disease). Virtually any information that
can be easily obtained by the public cannot be said to be protected --
for instance, if your webserver returns pages that say 'made with
Perl' it cannot be considered defamatory to aggregate and then
retransmit this information to third parties. That would be as absurd
as suing someone for publishing a list of public accounting firms that
can be easily found in the phone book.
That being said, on certain way to avoid all legal challenges
would be, as you may have guessed, to obtain written permission
beforehand.
The goal of marketing is in part to create awareness. If you have
never heard of widget X nor of it's features and reliability you are
unlikely to use it. Human beings love to ride the bandwagon, so
sometimes telling them that their favorite sports figure drinks cherry
Coke before every game will boost sales. It is a bit of a crap shoot
to figure out what works but I can assure you that doing nothing us
like trying to start a car with a potato battery.
On 3/8/11, Shlomi Fish <shlo...@iglu.org.il> wrote:
> Hi Gabor,
>
> On Sunday 15 Aug 2010 08:33:09 Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Joel Limardo
>>
>> <joel.lima...@forwardphase.com> wrote:
>> > Do we keep a list of current companies that are using Perl anywhere? I
>> > just noticed that Sony Support appears to be using Perl:
>> > http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-home.pl?mdl=HIDC10
>>
>> There is an old and out of date list on TPF wiki
>>
>> https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?companies_using_perl
>>
>> but I don't think there is a real added value in such list. As Jan pointed
>> out almost every company uses Perl in one form or another.
>>
>> I think it would be a better form to gather companies that support
>> Perl in one form or other.
>> e.g. by letting and encouraging its employers to work on perl core or
>> CPAN modules
>> during work hours or by sponsoring various Perl events or by
>> sponsoring other aspects of the Perl community.
>
> I agree. I think that a list of all companies that use Perl and do not admit
> that would first-of-all be a problem to compile, and secondly, may be
> defamation. I think it may be the "NASA uses Python" vs. "NASA uses COBOL"
> syndrome - NASA (or whoever) uses a lot of stuff (including COBOL and
> Fortran
> on old VAX machines), but is not going to boast about using, say, COBOL,
> because people hate it.
>
> What we can do is try to make Perl "hip" again (like Su-Shee noted in her
> post) by building a certain unique and non-defensive Perl image, that will
> make a lot of companies admit that they are using Perl.
>
> One of the problems with Perl is that back in the old WWW fever, when early
> versions of Perl 5 were practically the only sane thing to use, people wrote
> a
> lot of Perl 4-like code in Perl 5 due to ignorance (I know I did.). Many of
> these ancient "CGI" scripts matured into CPAN modules or alternatively some
> popular FOSS or commercial or popular Internet-facing web-sites. However,
> those that extensively use Perl are now more well-entrenched sites like
> Amazon.com , livejournal.com , typepad , etc. which are very popular but not
> considered "web 2.0" (bleh!) or hip enough. (And based on a vague feeling, I
> think Google is starting to become well-entrenched too.). Fashions come and
> later become well-entrenched and everyone still "does" them, but no one is
> proud of it because they are no longer "hip".
>
> If we can make Modern Perl 5 appeal again to younger audience, perhaps by
> building an elitist image of a quirky language for "rockstars" who can
> appreciate a steep learning curve, but followed by great expressivity and
> the
> power and robustness of CPAN afterwards, and also a vibrant community, we
> maybe can accelerate the Perl renaissance, and get more people to admit that
> they use Perl.
>
> For a while it seems that Vim was losing esteem among the hipsters in favour
> of TextMate and similar editors, while now it may seem that it has become
> the
> new "it" editor among them again, so technologies *can* make a perceptive
> comeback, although many of them don't.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
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