Hi Josh and Greg, thanks for your feedback.
Similar to Greg, in the past we also created PLA campaigns for big feeds by creating one ad group per product and by using more than one campaign if the products exceed the ad group limit. While the suggestion to use a product scope as an intermediate splitting of products sounds reasonable, for us it is more practical to use only one level of splitting, i.e. ad groups, for which we already have an implementation. I also second Greg that the limit of 2 ad groups per mutate call is a serious issue for dealing with large product feeds. It would be great if this situation is fixed in the next API version -- ideally together with the possibility to manage shopping campaigns using the mutate job service and partial failures. Thanks again and best regards, Christian On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:04:59 PM UTC+2, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > I'll look into the limit you mentioned below on ad group mutates. > > Please note that the limit I quoted from here > <https://www.en.adwords-community.com/t5/Google-Shopping-PLAs-Merchant/Shopping-campaign-limits/td-p/338502> > of > 20,000 *ProductPartitions* per campaign is *incorrect*. The actual limit > is the same as for other criteria, that is: > > - 20,000 per ad group > - 5 million per campaign > > Thanks, > Josh, AdWords API Team > > On Friday, July 11, 2014 11:46:12 AM UTC-4, GregT wrote: >> >> We have also in the past (with PLA campaigns) been creating a product >> target per product, each in its own ad group (splitting into multiple >> campaigns when necessary), and in our migration to shopping campaigns, plan >> on doing the same thing. We have many clients, some with large product >> feeds like Christian is talking about. Continuing to do multiple ad groups >> for each product is worthwhile so that we can set different mobile bid >> modifiers (which are at the ad group level) for different products (and >> presumably if/when shopping campaigns support remarketing, the bid >> modifiers will also be at the ad group level, as they are with display & >> search), as well as to support flexibility for different promotions for >> different products (because the ads/promotions are at the ad group level). >> >> What looks to us is going to be the biggest issue is what is mentioned in >> this post: >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/adwords-api/fqQl076oA1o >> >> Only being able to modify 2 ad groups at a time, with any reasonably >> sized merchant center feed, is not really going to work. Whether it's just >> creating the original ad groups & product partitions, or updating bids, the >> amount of time it will take to do anything looks to be prohibitive. With >> other kinds of campaigns, we send 1,000 criterion (keywords, placements, >> audience bid modifiers, etc.) at a time, and/or use the MutateJobService to >> send 5,000 at a time. Unfortunately, the MutateJobService doesn't support >> shopping campaigns. Also, unfortunately, using multiple threads will not >> help any either, as the thing that will most hinder doing anything with/for >> these campaigns is the rate limiting that will very quickly occur when we >> have to make 50,000 quick calls on the same account just to change bids on >> 100k products. >> >> Josh and/or others, any way this limit of 2 ad groups can be increased >> and/or any good workarounds? It's amazingly small compared to any other >> equivalent kind of limit in AdWords. If the limit were instead a number of >> product partition nodes that can be updated in one call, it seems like it >> would be much more reasonable -- so if you want to add/update 1,000 product >> partition nodes in a single ad group or spread out across 1,000 ad groups, >> it still works? >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> >> >> On Friday, July 11, 2014 10:17:07 AM UTC-5, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API >> Team) wrote: >>> >>> Hi Christian, >>> >>> I'm a little concerned about the manageability of so many campaigns and >>> the ad group-per product approach. I also found that there's a limit of >>> 20,000 product partitions per campaign (noted here >>> <https://www.en.adwords-community.com/t5/Google-Shopping-PLAs-Merchant/Shopping-campaign-limits/td-p/338502> >>> ). >>> >>> Have you considered using a CampaignCriterion with criterion type >>> ProductScope >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.ProductScope> >>> to >>> filter products at the campaign level (also described in our Shopping >>> Campaigns Guide >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/shopping#filtering_by_product_dimension>)? >>> >>> This could greatly reduce the number of ad groups per campaign and may make >>> your campaigns more manageable. What I'm envisioning is something like this >>> for your 100,000 products: >>> >>> 1. Create 5 (or more) campaigns to ensure you stay under the 20,000 >>> *ProductPartitions* per campaign limit. >>> 2. On each campaign, add a *ProductScope* (which can be based on up to >>> 7 different ProductDimension >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.ProductDimension>s) >>> >>> CampaignCriterion >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.CampaignCriterion> >>> to >>> limit the number of products in each campaign to < 20,000. >>> 3. Create one or more ad groups per campaign, each consisting of a set >>> of ProductOfferId >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductOfferId> >>> -based ProductPartition >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductPartition>s. >>> >>> I don't see much benefit in multiple ad groups here unless you want to >>> split up the products for other purposes besides managing the bids. >>> >>> This approach assumes that your products have attributes that will allow >>> you to perform the high level filtering in step 2. >>> >>> Note that the advantages of the tree-based bidding structure of new >>> shopping campaigns is that you don't have to set up such fine-grained bids, >>> and the "other" category at each leaf node lets you set bids for anything >>> that falls outside of the specific *ProductPartitions* you created (the >>> ones with a value). >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Josh, AdWords API Team >>> >>> On Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:22:20 AM UTC-4, Christian wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Josh, >>>> >>>> thanks for your feedback. We are also aware of the limitation of ad >>>> groups per campaign, but we already deal with that fact by creating >>>> multiple campaigns for a product feed if the number of products exceeds >>>> the >>>> limit. >>>> >>>> According to the linked answer, I cannot see any problems concerning >>>> the display of product ads when using the one-adgroup-per-product approach >>>> for shopping campaigns. Please let me know if I am wrong here. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:27:48 AM UTC+2, Josh Radcliff (AdWords >>>> API Team) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Christian, >>>>> >>>>> I'll get back to you with a more complete answer, but one issue that >>>>> immediately comes to mind with the solution below is that you'll quickly >>>>> exceed the limits on the number of ad groups per campaign (currently >>>>> 20,000). >>>>> >>>>> https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/1704396 >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Josh, AdWords API Team >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 3:24:53 AM UTC-4, Christian wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Josh, >>>>>> >>>>>> we would like to set up shopping campaigns for quite large product >>>>>> feed (e.g. 100000 products). Here we are facing limitation issues >>>>>> (concerning the number product partitions per ad group) because we would >>>>>> like to set up our shopping campaigns with a 1-to-1 mapping, i.e. one >>>>>> partition for one product using the dimension ProductOfferId. We are >>>>>> aware >>>>>> of the fact that other dimensions are available too, but still the >>>>>> direct >>>>>> mapping is the best choice for us. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now for the limitation, we plan to work around this problem by >>>>>> creating one ad group per product, each with two product partitions: a >>>>>> biddable one for the corresponding product ID and a negative one for all >>>>>> other products. From the theory that sounds like it should work. >>>>>> However, >>>>>> I'd be interested if you see any issues concerning the functionality of >>>>>> shopping campaigns. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking forward to hear your feedback on this issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Christian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:50:18 PM UTC+2, Josh Radcliff (AdWords >>>>>> API Team) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AFAIK, the limits on the # of ProductPartition >>>>>>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201402/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductPartition>s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in your accounts/adgroups/campaigns is dictated by the same limits >>>>>>> AdWords >>>>>>> uses for other types of criteria, as documented here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/1704396 (expand the *AdWords >>>>>>> account limits *section) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may find the Shopping Campaigns Guide >>>>>>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/shopping> >>>>>>> and PLA to Shopping Campaigns Migration Guide >>>>>>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/shopping-migration> >>>>>>> helpful >>>>>>> if you're making this transition. In Shopping Campaigns, you *can* set >>>>>>> up bidding by item/offer ID using ProductOfferId >>>>>>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201402/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductOfferId> >>>>>>> criteria >>>>>>> on your AdGroupCriterion objects, but that would result in a fairly >>>>>>> large >>>>>>> number of criteria. If you don't actually need to bid separately on a >>>>>>> per-item basis, Shopping Campaigns let you define your product >>>>>>> partition >>>>>>> tree using a variety of ProductDimension >>>>>>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201402/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductDimension>s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so you could, for example, set up bidding by ProductCondition or >>>>>>> ProductBiddingCategory. The guides I mentioned go into this in more >>>>>>> detail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Josh, AdWords API Team >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:26:56 PM UTC-4, Chuck Reeves wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Currently we create keywords for each product and set a bid on that >>>>>>>> keyword. Now that we need to update to a shopping campaign, and the >>>>>>>> process looks a little different. It looks like the way that this >>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>> be done, is by creating a Product Group that is filtering by the >>>>>>>> Id/SKU we >>>>>>>> want. 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