The meaning in all art is naturally a reflected meaning.
Seems to me that all  designs in any work of art, be it
 music /sculpture/painting/ poetry/etc. have a variety
of relationships of forms within it's total work. What the
mind's feels depends where it is centered, hence ,the work
reflects different things to differently experienced minds.
 mando

On Mar 20, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Peirce can be mind-enthralling. I remember when I was a freshman in college, it was Peirce who provided me with my first new philosophical insight, and it bowled me over. (The insight was this: A belief is anticipation of future experience. I'd simply never thought of belief that way, and it seemed to fit
wonderfully.)

But exposure to a great deal of Peircean theory early on has a peril,
something like the one of being deeply immersed in a religion during childhood and youth. Many young people drilled in notions of God, sin, the after- life, heaven, hell, the soul etc can never thereafter quite free themselves from their convictions enough to question those fundamental elements of their "faith".

Among the fundamental elements in Peircean theory are the assumption, for example, that "signs" "have meanings". As an undergraduate I never questioned that, say, words "have meanings". Today, it nearly astonishes me when I see textbooks on philosophy of language begin with the statement, "The central feature of bits of language -- what makes them language -- is that they have meanings; so linguistic meaning is something you encounter more often and are more familiar with than just about anything else. It is remarkable, then, that it is so difficult to explain exactly what linguistic meaning is." ("The Meaning of
Language", Robert M. Martin)

Martin doesn't question that words "have meanings". He simply accepts that they "have" them, and he takes his job to be to discover what these "meanings"
-- that in some sense each word "possesses"   -- "ARE". But
why doesn't he ask just why he has come to believe this? My position is that indeed words DON'T "have meanings", that it is the repeated association of the utterance of word -- "milk", "hot", "doggy" -- with a given word that causes the notion of milk, hot, or dog to arise thereafter in our minds when we hear those words. If I utter "doggy" to a shepherd in the remote Andes, no picture of a dog will arise in his mind. But if 'doggy' "has a meaning", why doesn't that happen? Because he hasn't been exposed to repeated association of the sound, "doggy", with real dogs that his parents pointed at when they said the
word.

The rise of electronics has resulted in numerous neologisms being created -- 'input', 'internet', 'blog', 'email'. It's only because of their repeated association with certain notions -- an associating that is common to almost all of us here in the U.S. -- that a somewhat common notion arises in the minds of all of us when exposed to the word. To me, it's almost dizzying to see that people believe that when these neologism were created they somehow came with a mind-independent "the meaning of" the word. No, someone may say, they "acquired" the meaning. When? At the moment some lexicographer decided to put it in
his dictionary? How can one tell if a certain utterance/scription like
'foopgoom' "has" a meaning, "is" a word/sign? Answer: you can't discover it, because
that "having", and the mind-independent "meaning", are chimerical.

Similarly, I shake my head at the seemingly unquestioned assumption by some Peirceans that "signs" DO things, call it "signify", and they signify specific mind-independent "significations", what others might call the various "THE meanings of" the signs. This error is all but identical with the error of
believing "words have meanings".

Okay -- don't agree with my conclusions, but at least question the belief. But, as I say, like the belief in God, sin, damnation and salvation, once inculcated early on, these beliefs in "meanings" and "signs" and "symbols" and "icons" etc as words that label mind-independent entities -- objects and related
actions -- seem exempt from doubt, from asking, "Why do I believe it?"



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