How can opinions be distinct from taste and judgment? It seems obvious that an opinion is a judgment. If taste does not reflect judgment how is it formed? Taste, opinion, judgment are all aspects of the same thing, judgment. Judgment does not require reasoning. It may include received opinion and it always includes feelings.
WC --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No. But my statement that Bougueureau is not an > artist has > nothing to do with 'taste'. It is my opinion. > > DA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: [???] Re: Taste > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:54:36 GMT > > > Then your statement that Bouguereau is not an > artist is > > dead?! Boris Shoshensky > > > > -- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the > idea of > > taste re art is dead. Quite dead. > > > > DA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Taste > > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:05:23 GMT > > > > > 'Taste' is such a broad, fuzzy word -- both in > general > > > usage, and as I would apply it. It can apply to > orange > > > juice or great paintings -- it can be whimsical > or a > > > serious judgment -- but it still captures more > than the > > > word 'art' > > > > > > If I tell you that "there is some art in the > next room" > > > -- all you will know about about that 'art' is > that it > > > fits into the room. Period. Anyone can call > anything > > > 'art' for any reason. > > > > > > But if I tell you that "there is something in > the next > > > room that meets my taste" --- you know that some > > > particular person likes it. That's a very small > piece > > > of knowledge --- but the more you eventually > know about > > > the thing and the person -- the more valuable > that small > > > piece of knowledge can be. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > Some preferences are casual, momentary, and not > really > > > worth discussing. > > > > > > I'm only interested in what someone has in mind > when > > > noticing that something is so special that it's > worth > > > remembering, recommending, and maybe even > subsidizing > > > and teaching others how to have. > > > > > > Including --- skiing (as Cheerskep has > suggested) -- if > > > that's what someone really feels is important. > How much > > > different is that from my fondness for Tai Chi? > -- whose > > > value I could discuss at great length - with all > kinds > > > of profound jargon -- but won't -- because I > doubt > > > anyone here has had much experience with it. > > > > > > And the same thing with skiing -- or most of the > other > > > special, positive, intense experiences that > people have. > > > > > > But everyone here has read Shakespeare , > listened to > > > Mozart, and seen the paintings of Monet, > Picasso, > > > Rembrandt etc. --- so that's the reason why > discussions > > > of taste tend to focus on the arts. > > > > > > And yes - I am interested what someone has in > mind when > > > using the word 'art' -- but not the general > someone -- > > > the hypothetical faceless person who represents > common > > > usage and common taste. > > > > > > I am only interested in actual specific people > -- whom > > > ,after using the word 'art' -- can then be > queried > > > about it. > > > > > > That's the kind of discussion that interests me > -- one > > > that's based on specific experiences of taste -- > even if > > > it's a taste for some aesthetic theory (as long > as the > > > taster is willing to actually defend it) > > > > > > But what doesn't interest me is discussion as > some kind > > > of track meet -- a competition to distinguish > the great > > > thinkers from the rest of us -- an utterly > tedious > > > diversion -- because, unlike a real track meet - > there's > > > no way to determine the winner -- so all we get > is > > > endless , bitter bickering at the finish line - > like the > > > post copied below. > > > > > > Whatever happened to the Cheer in Cheerskep ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************** > > ****** > > > > Cheerskep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When I first skied, I decided this was an > experience > > > to remember, and I decided to subsidize my kids' > having > > > it. Do you see my difficulty with your stated > position, > > > Chris? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
