As William's agreement might confirm -- Saul's statement may well serve as a
credo for initiates into the world of contemporary abstract painting.

But does anyone else really feel that their lives are made both fanciful and
traumatic by their inability to differentiate  between the Real and the
symbolic?

And  can anyone else even parse some of Saul's impossible sentences? -- like
"As such its portrayed, is only imagined."

Perhaps such a sentence can, itself, serve as  an example of "the real
undisrupted by cognition"  (or --- blather undisrupted by reflection?)

Saul was wise to post his cryptic message only to William.



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I agree with this. I tried to say as much when I said
that we must symbolize with metaphor and the metaphor
is never adequate to embody consciousness or the Real.
 If I could've I would've written Saul's last
sentence, below.

WC
--- saul ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Real subscribes to no logic or order it merely
> exists in experience
> undisrupted by cognition. It is impossible to
> integrate the Real into the
> realm of the symbolic because it has no other
> against which it may be
> foregrounded. As such its portrayed, is only
> imagined. On the other hand its
> evocation is associated with a yearning for a
> unification of knowledge and
> pleasure, whose  achievement is believed to result
> in  dissolving the
> always, already transitory illusion of control and
> agency.  This vision of
> a space in which causality and actuality is
> non-existent is embedded in the
> notion that all that does exists is the product of
> our interpretation of
> signs of our own making.  Premised on this it is
> proposed that the The
> manifests itself in the blur or the smudge that is
> taken to be an accident
> that defaces the seamlessness of the symbolic, which
> is taken to be sign of
> the Real's resistance to being cut into pieces by
> the symbolic order of
> language and representation.   It is the inability
> to differentiating
> between the Real and the symbolic that makes our
> lives both fanciful and
> traumatic.
>
> --
> Saul

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