----- Original Message ----- From: "William Conger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: "The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves but in ou r attitude towards them."

...I am very committed to art
that reflects the renewed spiritualization of
autonomous or individual identity.  I would prefer
visual art to be more like poetry, about particular
human experience, and less about matching itself to
mass culture and the commonplace.  .....> WC

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I study poetry with Jack McCarthy http://www.standupoet.net/ and try to read at open mics when I can. Jack is a populist as poets go. He has a knack of enlivening the common experience. There is a kind of artistic range that slides between the subjective and the objective. The superficial and common experiences are on the objectives side. I'm not sure that an artistic perspective from either end of the continuum is necessarily better. Rather, I believe that each artist will find her/his voice somewhere along that continuum. (And there may be many voices at different points or different points staked out in a career as the voice evolves.) Poetry that is ultra subjective can reach a point where it seems to pander to its own obscurity. Which is to say that subjectivity is not a guarantee of success in poetry.

I love Andy Warhol. http://www.mikemallory.com/warhol.htm I also found The Substance of Style: How the Rise of Aesthetic Value Is Remaking Commerce, Culture, and Consciousness by Virginia Postrel http://www.amazon.com/Substance-Style-Aesthetic-Remaking-Consciousness/dp/0060933852/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211682932&sr=1-1 to be mind expanding. Warhol legitimized an aesthetic of surfaces. He helped us to understand the texture of replication, mass production and celebrity. I don't recall Postrel specifically discussing Warhol, but she does offer some theoretical legitimacy for an aesthetic of the shallow. She reminds us how shallow we really are and then helps us to not only feel okay with it, but to appreciate the shallow surface of things. It is after all the texture of our culture.

I love Rothko. I see Rothko and Warhol to be at opposite ends of the subjective-to-objective continuum. I can't say that one is right and the other wrong. Each stood his ground and depicted what he saw to be important. As the philosopher, Ken Wilber, points out with his holonic approach to identity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy) Each of us is both an individual and a member of various groups: family, community, society. I do not see a need to privilege the autonomous identity over the communal.

I can appreciate that painting kittens for kitchens or sand dunes for tourists will probably not lead to greatness. (And I will admit, using a bicycling metaphor, to have done my share of "drafting" as a painter. no pun intended) My point is that the appearance of the commonplace, routine and even mass-produced can be utterly important and every bit as "worthy" of subjecthood in art as the subjective experience of despair or triumph.

By the way, to me the term "spiritual" represents a state of important connectedness to life, other people or perhaps even something beyond one's self. And that is how I took the word.

Mike Mallory

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