In using hypothetical, I meant to imply that  the category art is itself is
in question rather than intending to propose that art is  a proposition
concerning whether something may or may not be included in the category  or
whether its inclusion tells us something about the nature of art as a
category

This choice was provoked by Derek's answer that there is no way of proving
if something is a work of art or not   - I interpreted as implying that art
may exist either nominally or as a metaphysical category - as such no proof
may be offered -
Chair, Visual Arts and Technologies
The Cleveland Institute of Art
 



> From: William Conger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Presence
> 
> I would agree that all art is propositional (if that's
> what hypothetical means in this instance and if so,
> propositional is a clearer choice) ) meaning it is
> offered or argued as possibly art.  The decison rests
> with the audience and/or consensus of the artworld.  I
> would also agree that anything is propositional as
> non-art and it requires the same audience and artworld
> consensus.  But I think it might be tougher to explain
> the case for non-art than for art.
> 
> WC
> 
>  
> --- Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> For some reason this never made it to the list.
>> Maybe I was over my
>> limit. Anyway here it is again.
>> DA
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Derek Allan
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> RE: 'if  there is no way to determine what is
>> authetic art then all
>> things presented
>>  as art are hypotheticals'
>> 
>>  Ah is that what you meant?  An odd use of
>> 'hypotheticals', don't you
>>  think?  But if that is all you mean, who could
>> disagree?
>> 
>>  RE: 'Now focus: If Benjamin
>>  proposes that art looses its authenticity (aura)
>> due to mechanical
>>  reproduction  -  what qualities is it loosing art,
>> so that its image is not
>>  auth'
>> 
>>  I tried to focus but your sentence is not even
>> grammatical.  Besides,
>>  I think Benjamin's notion of aura is - insofar as
>> it is clear, which
>>  is not far - bunkum.  But I certainly don't think
>> it means
>>  authenticity as you seem to imply.
>> 
>> 
>>  DA
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Saul Ostrow
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> -it seems you don't know much and understand less
>> - so we won't deal with
>>>> the things that require much thinking like such
>> as the proposition that if
>>>> there is no way to determine what is authetic art
>> then all things presented
>>>> as art are hypotheticals
>>>> 
>>>> So we will go back to your original enquiry - Now
>> focus: If Benjamin
>>>> proposes that art looses its authenticity (aura)
>> due to mechanical
>>>> reproduction  -  what qualities is it loosing
>> art, so that its image is not
>>>> auth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> will somebody lend this boy a hand , meanwhile
>> nighty night
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:57:40 +1000
>>>>> To: Saul Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Presence
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea what that statement means.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Saul Ostrow
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> Then there is no authentic art - consequently
>> all art is hypothetical?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:24:21 +1000
>>>>>>> To: Saul Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Presence
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are talking about proving something is
>> a work of art, I know of
>>>>>>> no way of doing that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Derek Allan
>>>>> 
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