In fairness to William (who seems to be withdrawing to lick his wounds)- it
should be noted that Cheerskep's ad hominems are at issue here as well -- and
despite how humorous Mr. McCormack may appear to the cops in his upscale
neighborhood -- his ad hominems here are a rather heavy handed assertion of
intellectual superiority.

Which is OK with me.

As I continue to assert -- ad hominem is unavoidable in the discussion of
aesthetics.  I prefer them to be clever and funny -- but it's not a disaster
if they're not (and I'm a little surprised that a heavy-hitter like William
seems unable to roll with these latest punches)

Boris has suggested that "one of the legitimate reasons philosophers run from
this list"  is that they would think that "Kant's thoughts on beauty are
beautiful, even if one is disagree with the results"

But I am doubting that even those folks could get together on an open internet
listserv -- without eventually beginning to insult each other.

Perhaps the interactive study of aesthetics can only proceed in a classroom or
office where one person is acknowledged as an authority.


And yet -- I have found our brawling to be useful and informative (as well as
entertaining)


I've had a good time with William.  I think I've learned a lot about his kind
of art (which I admire) and his points-of-view (which I mostly despise) -- but
if he feels that it's time for him to go -- I'm sure not going to get down on
my knees and beg for him to stay.

Ad hominems, clever and funny or cold and brutal,  are here to stay.

We should acknowledge that and just move on.
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