You are testing my logic by going away from simplicity of clarity. Spirituality is a highest state of abstraction. It has different emotional resonance when it comes from fear of unknown (mastery of the existence, danger, death)- some mythology, gods (nonhuman entity created by human imagination), or it comes from art( human imagination plus physical existence of a beautiful work). Both are hunger for Truth. We should not confuse stunningness from beauty, I include rocket to the moon (beauty of human scientific genius) and stunningness from realizing the depth of human stupidity and cruelty (Nuremberg). It is that simple. Boris Shoshensky
---------- Original Message ---------- From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Heidegger and Singularity Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:32:06 -0400 Are you implying that there is more than one time of spirituality - and that that achieved by religious means is inhuman or do you mean being stunned the way the German people were by the Nuremberg rallies or other breathtaking spectacle - Can you be clearer in what differentiates the stunning -ness of art from the stunning -ness of a rocket to the moon On 4/26/09 8:20 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Good rationalization. But you see, I am talking about human spirituality that has nothing to do with religion, when work of art makes us stunned. Boris Shoshensky ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu<http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Heidegger and Singularity Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:59:49 -0400 There are probably more artists in the history of art who claim intellectual influences (including church teaching) then those who make claims for spiritual aspiration ( spirituality as it is to day understood is a 18-19th century romantic construct - it comes from an attempt to create a secular notion of divine inspiration) - this secularization reflects a desire to create an objective transcendent aesthetic value as a way to invest art with worth in the face of the collapse of the theological monopoly of the Catholic church at the time of the Reformation - Remember the counter reformation was all about the spiritual experience - the ecstatic as a transcendent state - and it is also the time when a significant portion of our ideology, aesthetics and conception of art were formulated On 4/26/09 9:27 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: The History of art and lives of the artists show that it is more. How about spiritual experience? Boris Shoshensky ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu<http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Heidegger and Singularity Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:22:50 -0400 And what makes you think art was ever anything other than a carefully crafted artifice meant to pull in its audience On 4/25/09 11:54 AM, "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: What if art self-reflexively addresses by aesthetic and rhetorical means the conceptions and values most prevalent with in the time of its making within a recursive framework ? Then we get a typical Hollywood movie - carefully crafted to pull in a large audience. I've just been watching a bunch of recent Westerns that came highly recommended to me -- and it was just too painful to watch each of them address the conceptions and values most prevalent in our time and place. (and don't forget about place. The conceptions and values of Americans are quite different from people who now live in India, Europe, Africa, or even Canada) Only one film had any value to me, "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford", because it seemed to be addressing universal issues of trust, betrayal, and maturity - as might be found in the 12th C. Chinese "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" as well ) While it also tried to re-create a language and dramatic space somewhat removed from our own (Missouri, 1880) That was a good movie - perhaps the best Western since "Dead Man". ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu<http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to become a professional counselor in less time than you think. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxaLhDbylx1JmYz1DDimnV8ps DI9rsU23KOQYW4dRGsIWpWyKImm9S/ -- -- --
