On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:

I don't agree with Michael that I was pulling a bait-and-switch below, but I could have made the following line clearer: "I believe that any two given notions are ALWAYS different to some degree, and often VERY different." I truly did have in mind both two notions of "the same thing" (like Chicago),
and two notions of different things: Gibraltar and diabetes.

What I didn't have explicitly clear in my own mind was what would prompt me to call some notions VERY different. It's still not "perfectly" clear, in part because it's a moving target. The criterion for my using 'very' is
comparable to that for my using 'serviceable'.


Well, you seemed to have an inkling of the troublesome problem. It strikes me as extremely naive to assert that two individual's "very different" notions of Chicago is in some degree equivalent to the differences between the notions of Gibraltar and diabetes. That is analogous to saying that magenta and Chinese red are very different shades of red, and cadmium yellow and dioxazine purple are similarly very different shades of colors.

Ah, "very different shades of red" designates a range within a color region in the spectrum, but "very different shades of colors" designates an initially wider range, which is already calibrated by the different names of the colors.

That's like your two examples: notions of Chicago, which indeed can be called "very different" because they name a single subject (Chicago) but construct dissimilar notions of it; Chicago is like the range of red hues. And notions of Gibraltar and diabetes, which have almost nothing in common, like yellow and purple.

And you still haven't begun to discuss what "very" adds to your notion. A person who lived in St. Louis might think that someone who lived in Knoxville was very close to the Atlantic, but the Knoxvillean might think a person in Raleigh would be very close, and a Raleigh resident would think a person in Wilmington is "very" close.

Tell us more about your "very."



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