For me knowing part of Reality, which we all do to a different degree, is not only personal belief. It is not blind ( organized religions) and based on individually preferred factual experiences (information) and intelligent emotions. Boris Shoshensky To: [email protected] Subject: Re: "Hegel gets at this idea when he says that a great portrait can b e more like the individual than the real individual himself. The pai nter captures the essence, the deeper reality." Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:01:46 -0800 (PST)
So you are a believer. To "know" reality is simply to affirm one's belief. Self-assuring guessing, tested against experience. Ok with me. Except science at least tries to reduce the believing to a minimum whereas art seems to expand it to the maximum, without testing. wc ----- Original Message ---- From: Boris Shoshensky <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 11:27:14 PM Subject: Re: "Hegel gets at this idea when he says that a great portrait can b e more like the individual than the real individual himself. The pai nter captures the essence, the deeper reality." I thought we established that can't know full reality. We don't know complete self. I believe that art can go into Reality further then any other human act, even science. Don't ask me for research that supports the idea. In this instance it's a gut felt conviction in a beauty-truth. Hegel new better that art can create abstraction that is closer to Reality then we are able to approach with pure logic. Boris Shoshensky To: [email protected] Subject: Re: "Hegel gets at this idea when he says that a great portrait can b e more like the individual than the real individual himself. The pai nter captures the essence, the deeper reality." Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:04:27 -0800 (PST) Hegel should've known better. You can't be more real than the real. Hegel was using a common figure of speech, a sort of honorific idiom to say that the artist gets at the nuance of the person that is not evident at glance or in a particular moment. So I take that to mean that the artist's portrait conveys something generalized, or even suggestive of other portraits. So instead of particularizing the portrait, the artist generalizes it to achieve what Hegel had in mind, even though he didn't say it well. Translation issue? wc ----- Original Message ---- From: Boris Shoshensky <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 11:11:41 AM Subject: Re: "Hegel gets at this idea when he says that a great portrait can b e more like the individual than the real individual himself. The pai nter captures the essence, the deeper reality." "Roche: There is this notion that artists depictions are more real than everyday reality because ours are scattered, uninformed, unfocused. Hegel gets at this idea when he says that a great portrait can be more like the individual than the real individual himself. The painter captures the essence, the deeper reality. So too with literary artists, they may present reality more clearly. And as problems in our society become more severe, and our actions have effects over great distances and time, the need for the poet as prophet, the novelist as prophet becomes more acute.> Absolutely agree with Hegel's idea. Boris Shoshensky ---------- Original Message ---------- From: joseph berg <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: "Hegel gets at this idea when he says that a great portrait can be more like the individual than the real individual himself. The painter captures the essence, the deeper reality." Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:42:17 -1000 http://magazine.nd.edu/news/10495 ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Taking a trip? Click here to compare hotel rates and find a great deal. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=fuBoJsAY8JOuxvhbKR4n_AAAJ1Gc l_zTaptgNR5c8Mer1v9kAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA=
