If I make a sign and no one knows it is a sign, then is it really a sign?  I
argue that it's not a sign until it's recognized as such.  Then there is the
difficulty of knowing what the sign stands for or points to.  What I intend in
choosing or making a sign has no assurance of ever being recognized as such.
Human communication implies, rather strongly, at least two agents -- one and
another -- and both participate in creating the signs they use and how they
are 
interpreted. But nothing is off the table, as it were, when it comes to
how 
communication takes place.  Speech is one mode among many others, limited
only 
by the human abilities and no one really knows what those ability limits
are. 
 Gesture, sound, sight, objects, all of them can be important elements
in 
communication. 

 I agree that there are cultural tropes that we recognize
in our culture as 
standing for something or other.  It's easy enough to
recognize how some of them 
have no predetermined sign value to people in
cultures quite different from our 
own.  Maybe the symbolism assigned to
certain religious artifacts or rituals are 
opaque to those not familiar with
the religion.  

As an artist I would never be interested in evoking a bundle
of associations 
"communicated" by the artwork.  First, I have no control of
what associations 
one may have -- not even my own from moment to moment -- in
making or viewing my 
artwork.  To aim for or intend a certain bundle of
associations means that some 
other associations are wrong because the
intention is to exclude some and 
include others. Why?  Despite misgivings
with E. Gombrich's linear art history 
based on illusionism, I agree fully
with his statement that  there are no wrong 
reasons to like artworks.  Also,
it strikes me as absurd that an inanimate 
object, like an artwork,
communicates if we understand that communication is an 
ongoing human act
involving more than one person (or an imaginary other or 
surrogate person).
My art communicates nothing at all. In itself it is entirely 
without meaning.
My paintings say nothing.  My intentions are simply the urge 
to do this or
that in making an artwork.  They may be helpful to me in making 
the work but
are otherwise irrelevant to the meanings that can be created for my 
artwork
by me communicating with others about the artwork or by others among 
others
or with imaginary surrogates be they one or many. Again, I claim that
intentions may be necessary to making an artwork, or engaging in
communication, 
but they are never sufficient. 

You have a traditional view
of communication theory that is fully and 
analytically rejected by my new
hero, Roy Harris. Harris promotes a view that is 
entirely consistent with the
way artists tend to think about artmaking and 
content.

wc




Mike - I take
a probabilistic, rather than a deterministic approach to 
communication.  The
only process available in communication, in my opinion, is 
that the
communicator (speaker, writer, artist, etc.) creates an artifact 
(sounds,
signs, images, etc.) which are perceived by a communicatee (listener, 
reader,
viewer, etc.)  The artist cannot determine through a process of 
communication
the experience of the viewer.  When the viewer apprehends an 
artifact
involuntary associations arise: images from the viewer's past, feelings
associated with similar images, theories of interpretation the viewer has
learned about the type of artifact involved, etc.  Each viewer's associations
will be unique; they are not determined. The viewer may or may not devote the
internal effort toward an organization of the associations.  The viewer may or
may not make a judgment about the worth of this particular bundle of
associations "communicated" by the artwork.  Part of the skill of the artist
is 
the ability to create artifacts in such a way as to create predictable
associations in the viewer.  No two aesthetic responses are identical, but I
believe they are usually clustered around one or more interpretations.
Kinkade 
has tighter clusters than Rothko, but that is also, in my opinion,
part of the 
the artist's intent.

So, I am committed to the notion of
communication.  And, while I will concede 
fallibility and further concede
that I haven't read Harris's book, if he claims 
that we cannot communicate
then I would bring up Zeno's Paradox and suggest that 
maybe the problem is
with the analysis, not the the object of inquiry.

Mike Mallory

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