I love blabbing on this list but I'm ready to give it up because it's no fun 
anymore when the only posts are these forwarded quotes from Berg, all dealing 
with his unreflective views of the art market, as below.  Truth is, the 
so-called "meaningless cycle of consumption" always existed, even though one is 
not so sure anyone can define it very precise,y.  Also, the "collecting of 
treasured objects" has also always existed and many of those objects have no 
commercial value at all. Of course some do.  The point is that there is no 
necessary link between meaningless consumption and collecting treasured 
objects. 
A freshman in beginning logic could see that. Again, Berg only quotes the most 
banal and shallow thinking to stand in for his own views.  One would think 
he/she would have more self-respect.  

There are many strands of the artspeak dialogue going on all the time.  That 
is, 
there are theoretical  definitions and justifications for almost every possible 
iteration of so-called art for now and in the past.   Art is a product of the 
artspeak just as much as the artspeak is a product of art. It helps to know 
what 
particular strand of artspeak is relevant to any particular form of art it 
helps 
to define.  It's not very useful to mix and match these dialogues as one may 
simply wish.  Some art is indeed a product of a particular way of creating a 
purpose for it and one purpose is to identify a consumer market at a very high 
end.  Its value as art is defined partly in terms of how well it fulfills that 
purpose.   At the other end, the lowest end of consumer markets, there are many 
genres of art as well.  They also help to identify the purpose of being art for 
that level.  When Berg puts a little $1 Holiday button on his/her lapel, that's 
an art form.  When the other Berg puts on a $20,000 watch, that's another art 
form.  When the McBerg buys a 10 million dollar Jeff Koons,  that's another art 
form.  Any of those art forms can be traded, collected, sold.  But none of that 
is necessarily identifying the aesthetic enjoyment or pain of each object. 
There 
is a context for any art and any artspeak or dialogue/theory.  

At this time, long after the primary discussions have concluded that there is 
no 
universal objective definition of art, it is truly pointless to be immersed in 
 journalism that pretends otherwise -- out of willful ignorance -- just to ring 
the alarm bells that art is going to the dogs. 
wc 


----- Original Message ----
From: joseph berg <[email protected]>
To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 4:09:18 PM
Subject: "The meaningless cycle of consumption was counterbalanced by  the 
collection of treasured objects. But this cultural economy has  become stagnant 
as art becomes increasingly insular and detached from  everyday life. 
Consumption continues to accelerate w

"The meaningless cycle of consumption was counterbalanced by the collection
of treasured objects. But this cultural economy has become stagnant as art
becomes increasingly insular and detached from everyday life. Consumption
continues to accelerate while art risks being locked into the fashion
cycle."

http://kitezh.com/text/craft-unbound-introduction

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