OK, so we are supposed to guess your question.  Wouldn't it be better if you 
just asked it yourself?

Maybe , now i'm guessing, you are asking about literal titles and literal 
reference as opposed to general reference or metaphorical or allusive 
references.
A painting titled The Northern Shore of Walden Pond in Springtime, I suppose, 
would be a title of a landscape painting that describes and names the title and 
the title names and describes the painting.  That's correspondence theory, as 
far as it goes.  But if the very same painting were titled Thoreau's Dream, or 
Lost Vision, or Environmental Disaster, or Retreat, or For Sale, quite 
differing 
metaphorical interpretations of the painting might come to mind.  similarly, if 
the title were to remain The Northern Shore of Walden Pond, but the painting 
itself was quite abstract, consisting of splatters of paint or rectangles or 
meandering lines, then one would be inclined to see the title as a metaphor.  
In 
either case the correspondence mentioned above -- never actually possible 
anyway 
-- is deconstructed.  

Literalness in art has its advocates today.  It's a way of treating our natural 
inclination for metaphorical interpretation as forced and therefore ironic.  
For 
instance, instead of naming  an abstract-expressionist type painting 
"Self-Cosmos" or something to evoke the angst normally associated with such 
work, today's artist may simply title it "Blob" as if to give primary validity 
to our most immediate and skeptical response.  For some reason I don't fully 
understand, there is a viewpoint among some contemporary artists that it's best 
-- more profound and sublime -- to  use trivial titles or even amateurish 
skills, thereby leaving it up to the willing spectator-critic to "discover" the 
self-deprecating authority and greatness of the work;  or to be "blown away" by 
the unpretentious hidden power of the work, released by the perspicacious 
viewer.  That's an old trope going back at least to the story of the boyhood 
Jesus preaching to the astonished Temple authorities.   There are many other 
examples in every culture.  

But there's another view regarding literalness in today's art.

If you wonder why literal representations are being devalued , generally, in 
the 
artworld, I suspect that's more or less true.  We live in an age where 
previously intellectual pursuits into the broad nature of reality and our 
experience of it beyond the borders of pure science  have been conflated with 
the hugely expanded domain of entertainment and escapism.  Anything connected 
to 
entertainment is expected to enlarge our fantasy experience and enable us to 
escape from the harsher and more demanding real world,  the real as it is.  If 
you make a painting of something in the real world, like Walden Pond, as if to 
document it as it is, then you are not joining the rush to put art within the 
domain of entertainment -- escapism or poetic or aesthetic enjoyment.  Forgive 
my hint of cynicism here for I don't fully reject the validity of our new age 
of 
art entertainment.  There is something good about a sober trivializing of 
intellectual activity.  It's a way of clearing heads of mistaking our ambitions 
for our achievements, whether in the studio, at Walden Pond, or in the 
laboratory.  Nevertheless, the preponderance of trivializing entertainment 
oriented artwork -- and its spread into the formerly pious realms of "serious" 
art and science, can valorize the truly vulgar and mean conditions of society 
and overwhelm aspirations for the future.  If you care about the future you 
must 
be somewhat skeptical, even cynical, of the present.  The ironic thing is that 
art advances toward its future by attacking to the rear. 

wc


----- Original Message ----
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 11:25:15 AM
Subject: Re: representation and its sgnification

Your essential question, "Why does abstract or conceptual art sell for
more than
representational art?

This is not, I am quite sure, the essential question. Neither prices
nor titles nor the subjects of the work is part of the question,

-----Original Message-----
From: William Conger <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 11:09 am
Subject: Re: representation and its sgnification

Your essential question, "Why does abstract or conceptual art sell for
more than
representational art?" is really a complaint -- stemming from unnamed
causes --
about some aspect of the art world where all sorts of conditions affect
the
valuing of particular artworks.

I know  several representational artists (variants of the realist
genre) whose
work sells for 6 figures, well above the amounts regularly attained by
equally
well-known abstract artists.  And vice-versa.

The number one reason for artwork prices is the artist's reputation
within a
fairly narrow set of artists working in the same general category:
realist,
abstract, conceptual, etc., up to maybe a dozen different genres and
sub-genres.
For example, there is still a high-end market for landscape painting
even
though it's not much discussed in the art press.  The same goes for
portraiture,
or animal painting, or commemorative sculpture, both past and present.

To just randomly pick "representational" art without more specific
identity
(indicating whose work, when, how does it compare with other work by
the same
artist, peers, etc.) and ask why it's less valued than some other
randomly
picked or vaguely referenced "abstract" work is not really a question
but a
generalized and rather empty complaint.

One could easily pick any of tens of thousands of abstract works and
say they
are less valued than some representational works, and then one could
easily
replace the order of those genres with any other genres in any position
and draw
the same conclusion.

Bad representational art is less valued than good abstract art and an
artist's
reputation -- track record of shows, collections, sales, etc. is the
quickest
way to generalize about the relative likelihood of a given work being
"bad" or
not.  It is not a guarantee but hopeful, informed opinion, albeit
frequently
short-lived.

Since I've been reading some Longinus lately, let me paraphrase one of
his
better observations:  Good fortune is one of the essentials of genius.

So, lucky and extraordinarily good artists of whatever genre usually
obtain
better prices for their work than the unlucky but equally good, and
certainly
better than the unlucky bad.  As for the lucky but bad artists, ah,
there's the
rub. There's always an abundance of those.
wc



----- Original Message ----
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 9:19:19 AM
Subject: Re: representation and its sgnification

I know I'm being incoherent. If I could frame the question properly I
wouldn't need to ask it. In this caes "representational art" means a
tradition,probably. I don't think it means any art that depicts an
already coded image  because I don't think the problem includes the
internal coding system of  "representational art". I think signify is
being used in a referential sense. I n a general sense abstract or
conceptual art sells for more than most representational art-Rembrant
is an exception.   A picture of a literal image of a marsh is not
given as much respect as a picture of some paint titled "marsh"-why is
this? It isn't the importance of titles  and the title doesn't
determine the quality of either piece.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Conger <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: representation and its sgnification

These questions border on the incoherent.  What does representational
art
signify now?  Here's a perfect example of the creative use of words as
signs.

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