By a combination of defective wording of what I had in mind, and of letting 
myself too quickly use terms before pressing myself to get usefully clear 
notions for each of them, I've managed to mislead, and seemingly even offend 
and anger some members of our forum recently. I don't want to do that, so 
let me see if I can repair some of those results.

Please keep in mind I'm not trying to defend what I did say, so I hope the 
replies I evoke are not "You didn't say that." I'm here trying to get closer 
to what I should have said.

It started, I think, with my reporting that in a book I wrote about the 
creating of a novel I remarked that, though I could teach some elements of the 
craft, I could not teach sensibility or imagination. And I added, because I 
believe it, that high intelligence has little correlation with sensibility 
and imagination. I made that last remark because I'd encountered a number of 
writers who felt unjustified despair about their prospects because their 
grades in school and their scores on "IQ" tests were mediocre. 

To convey what I had in mind with "high intelligence" I described a woman 
with summa-level performance in the whole range of testable aptitudes.   I 
noted that among the not-testable gifts were sensibility, imagination and 
long-term memory. 

Kate wrote back to say that she doesn't think "high intelligence of itself 
means the person has either creativity or sensitivity. Mathematicians, for 
example, Kate has found to be, "Very good at problems, not imaginative and 
sensitive."

She added: "And before you claim designing the solutions to problems is 
creative, it isn't creative compared to wading in the foggy wastes of inventing 
a great novel, where there is no if this then that, no else, nothing but 
speculation
and supposition." 

Reacting to her warning, I wrote:

"Don't worry -- I'd never say 'designing the solutions to problems is 
creative'. It's not creative in the sense interesting on this forum."

Right there I blundered two or three times.

One immediate response said: 

"But how would you know that? Are you surmising or just projecting? I find 
reading a well-written mathematics text or a technical explanation of maps 
or DNA or the kinetic forces acting on a moving automobile very engaging and 
often quite aesthetically pleasing."

When I first read this, I interpreted the lister as saying I was wrong to 
believe forum members are never engaged by the design of solutions to 
problems of any kind, either on the forum or off. 

This was unintended by me, so I hurried to deny I believe it. I agreed that 
individuals on the forum have a wide range of interests in all sorts of 
"problem-solution designs" that, I was assuming, are irrelevant to aesthetics. 

But by then I'd dug myself even deeper by casually remarking that one might 
say great chess players solve problems of calculation, not of imagination.

In general terms, my thinking was that there are problems in this world for 
which people in medicine, engineering, mathematics, metallurgy, accounting, 
games and other disciplines have "solution-designs" that can be extremely 
useful and interesting to them, but which are irrelevant to the concerns of 
aestheticians.   

But notice: I was already fooling myself by using the term 
'problem-solution designs' with no clear idea for that in my mind. (I did the 
same thing 
later with 'intellect' and 'calculating'. Something I often complained about in 
other listers, I was now guilty of myself.)   

Then it finally dawned on me that some of the trouble lay in the ambiguity 
of the phrase "in the sense interesting on this forum". What I had in mind 
with that phrase was the brief asserted on the home page of the forum: 
Aesthetics-L "Art, Philosophy and Aesthetics": 

Aesthetics-l: "Art, Aesthetics, and Philosophy" is a discussion forum 
devoted to all genres of art, and related philosophy. Pertinence is strongly 
encouraged, but the format is intentionally informal. The forum is intended to 
be an arena where old ideas can be reexamined, and inchoate new ideas can be 
tried and developed under the challenge of a lively give-and-take among 
informed members. The membership is unusually apt for an aesthetics forum 
because it comprises not only philosophy scholars but many practicing artists. 

Behind that brief lay the conviction that some cogitations are irrelevant 
to aesthetics. En passant, many minor irrelevancies are fun to read about 
here. But in excess their insistent clutter has driven listers to quit this 
forum.  You may recall that the wording on the home page was devised after the 
experience with a lister who repeatedly posted messages about his religious 
and political stances. (It did not help when he boasted that what he really 
liked to do was test a forum's tolerance, find its breaking point. He 
revealed with a tone of pride that he'd been kicked off several other forums in 
the past.) 

Kate's remark about mathematicians particularly resonated with me, because 
of how often I've heard   actors, writers, dancers   et al bemoan their 
deficiency in math. I concluded long ago that a deficiency in math was 
irrelevant to most "artistry". What went on in Van Gogh's head as he painted, 
and 
what went on in Godel's head as he pondered his incompleteness theorems of 
mathematics seem to me generically different.

I also was pondering a recent episode in my own household. When it was 
discovered that one of our toilets wouldn't flush, the handyman was asked to 
come up. He examined the problem. He found that a small chain in the toilet 
tank had broken.   He solved the problem: He replaced the chain. I figured this 
problem and the solution he designed were not pertinent to aesthetics.     

Then it abruptly came to me that the lister who mentioned his engagement 
with a well-written mathematics text or a technical explanation of maps or DNA 
or the kinetic forces acting on a moving automobile may well feel these 
topics, and the others I mentioned, ARE within the scope of this aesthetics 
forum. 

One lister remarked, "Maybe you just don't have the imagination to see how 
they are similar, or related, or even different manifestations of the same 
activity, namely, intellect."

To the first part of that, I have no rejoinder. I'd be a fool to maintain I 
have the imagination for any challenge no matter how difficult. And there's 
no denying that there are some "art" genres in which, from a creator's 
point of view, I'm a dumbbell. 

I have to concede a study of such topics as those above may yield lessons 
of applicability in aesthetics that my limitations in experience and 
imagination have kept me from seeing. So I want to climb down from any stance 
that 
implies those topics don't belong on the forum, though I reserve the right to 
demur if, after having that applicability explained, I still don't see 
their aptness here.

More to come about intellect, high intelligence, and sensibility. 

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