With formal models and codified methods we can design and evaluate for a 
phenomenon we aren't sure can be adequately captured.  

The above restates the question Berg qoutes (another damned qoute out of 
context)  as an assertion.  Does it make sense?  The issue here is a classic 
if-then proposition but not one that can be logically proved.  If the model and 
methods are right then the phenomenon can be recognized even if it can't be 
captured.  This is at the crux of speculative science, such as string theory. 
String theory explains physical phenomena that can't be proved to exist or 
which 
remain 'inadequately captured'. String theory could be wrong even though it 
constitutes a model for designing a hypothetical universe that seems to uncover 
more options for physics than other, proved models.  A scientific model may 
capture something in nature that otherwise remains unmeasured.  I think 
something like this is also applies in art-making. I make a painting and it may 
evoke what I did not intend or what I did not seek.  Equally, I could make a 
painting, a model, that does seem to capture what I suspected I sought.  Either 
way, it's all experimental, in the lab or on the canvas.  The statement does 
not 
move us to any solid position.  It merely says, if you create a model it might 
be worth it in some way.  That's not much different than saying, If you breathe 
then you might continue to live well.

Berg is upset that there seems to be no clear standard for quality in art.  How 
sad.  There's no standard that can assure anything. Regarding outcomes, or 
models, there's no guarantee that anything yet unproved can be proved.

wc


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From: joseph berg <[email protected]>
To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]>
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