Yes.  It goes back to the readymade, at least.  It might go back to primitive 
objects of worship, like a 'sacred'  rock or river or other natural object. 
 What makes the object art or even a sacred object is a state of mind. Art not 
what you do but how you regard it.  Further, art is what's said about it. 
(Saul, 
Im reading An Ambition).
wc


----- Original Message ----
From: saul ostrow <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 7:41:07 AM
Subject: Re: today NYT

Couldn't all of this (both pro and con) be saiid about Rauschenberg's
silkscreen painting

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Saul ostrow
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On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:14 PM, William Conger <[email protected]> wrote:

> No, my point is that he's not a sculptor, no matter how a monument is made,
> until someone else, a curator with status abd power, says so. The
Institutional
> Theory.
> wc
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ARMANDO BAEZA <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sun, September 30, 2012 1:35:19 PM
> Subject: Re: today NYT
>
> Today "ANYONE "can create a  bronze monument, any size,of anything
> in a few
> weeks or months, and be called a sculptor, if he can cover the cost.
>
> AB
> ________________________________
> From: William Conger
> <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday,
> September 30, 2012 8:11 AM
> Subject: today NYT
>
> Take a look at today's NYT
> article on Wade Gayton.  He's having a solo show at
> the Whitney.  He doesn't
> paint or draw but makes 'paintings' by computer,
> printing out images he takes
> from everyday print ephemera.  The curator of the
> show says "Wade speaks to
> the way images travel across out visual culture -- on
> our computers, Iphones,
> televisions and books".   Please note the art-speak.
> What the curator could
> have said in ordinary language is, "Wade copies images
> from popular culture
> on his big digital printer".
>
> My point here is that we shouldn't blame the
> artists for doing transgressive
> stuff or making what seems to be silly,
> vacant art.  There are always artists
> who are doing every sort of stuff but
> we never hear about them because no one is
> paying them any attention at all.
> It's the gatekeepers, the curators, who pick
> and choose artists through the
> templates of confabulatedart-speak.  When the
> curator says, "Wade speaks", he
> implies that Wade has a thoroughly
> intellectualized or analyzed position, a
> stance, from which he issues a
> philosophy of culture and visuality.  It's
> phony.  Wade himself says he never
> liked drawing and thinks painting is too
> hard (acting out his inner Warhol). But
> admitting a slacker attitude as an
> artist is exactly the key, the push-button,
> to provoke intense concentration
> by the curator.  But Wade really simply copies
> images from papers and
> magazines, book endpapers and the like according to whim.
> His fancy printer
> can blow them up to gargantuan scale (extremism at work) and
> the curator can
> present this ephemera as high art (extremism of intentional
> conceptual
> re-contextualization).
>
> There's an artist here in Chicago, John Miller, who
> has been doing similar
> computer and big digital printer art for several
> years. Few have seen this work
> outside of colleague artists.  No Whitney
> curator has called. No big collectors
> are pasting his stuff to their dining
> room walls on Park Avenue. The article on
> Gayton makes it pretty clear that
> he has changed the course of painting!  No,
> the curator is trying to redefine
> painting and Gayton came to his attention and
> thus exemplifies what the
> curator has already decided is the 'next inevitable
> step' (a Greenberg
> phrase, I believe). Meanwhile John Miller piles up hundreds
> of huge digital
> 'paintings' done before Gayton bought his first pair of trendy
> red tennis
> shoes, that curators ignore. The curators make art, not the artists.
> The
> artists and their work are merely the specimens the curatorial creativity,
> the footsoldiers used by imperialist, unaccountable curators. You go, Wade!
> wc

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