For once, I can agree with Berg.

There are always previously unstated/unpresented  ways to express freedom. 
Since 
Duchamp the majority of trendy artists (I should say curators) have mostly 
chosen to express it through vulgarity.  Extremism at work.  The final point 
will be, as I've said before,  purely virtual, like a redux of Roman Coliseum 
entertainment murders; the next step in this case, real people having public 
sex 
while thickly covered in their own excrement. Low as the Turner folks go, they 
still stick with representation. Too timid.  Remember, don't blame the artists 
(or chosen sociopaths), blame the curators.  They are the artists.  The 
so-called artists are only the actors.

In actual state practice, the Nazis came as close to virtuality as anyone ever 
has.  At their official state headquarters, a very classic type entry had real 
soldiers standing at guard on raised platforms where there would normally be 
only statues of lions or some such.
wc


----- Original Message ----
From: joseph berg <[email protected]>
To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, October 2, 2012 3:04:17 AM
Subject: Turner Prize 2012

I think I'm getting nauseous:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/a-bearded-lady-human-excrement-having-sex-the-woolworths-choir-and-scottish-psychiatrist-rd-laingturner-prize-2012-contenders-go-on-show-8192641.html

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