no,it's that damn shepherd again. What Tom doesn't realize is that the
shepherd and his cousins have been all over Europe playing their flutes
in the street for money. While they were there they learned several
languages and how to use the internet and they are beginning to get
ticked off about this isolated clod and his sheep.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brady <[email protected]>
To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Kate's excellent queries; Barthes; etc
On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
In a message dated 12/9/12 12:44:36 PM, [email protected]
writes:
"just because the listener or reader has no knowledge of the
referent does not mean he or she cannot produce a notion in response
to the
word."
I wrote: A shepherd in the Andes "could conjure effectively no notion
at
all
I thought the guy was in "remote western China." Did I not conjure a
correct
notion?
(and
certainly nothing "informational")" if someone utters to him the
sound,
"Cleopatra".
I didn't mean he couldn't hear the utterance, couldn't determine if
the
speaker is female or male, etc. I consciouslessly depended on my
phrases
"effectively no notion" and "nothing informational" to convey the
shepherd
wouldn't "understand" the utterance. But Michael is justified in
saying the
shepherd would certainly come away with some notions or other.
You're back to an old conundrum you haven't resolved: how does anyone
confirm
that another person has a serviceably similar notion as you do? You all
have
to trade proxies, namely, words, pictures, gestures, etc. And you all
have to
be individually confident that the proxies remain stable enough to
proceed
with the communications.
Cheerskep, I don't think that in the years we have all been discussing
this
general topic that you have addressed that tertium quid, that entity
that
exists between the speaker and the listener, or more accurately,
between the
speaker's mind and the listener's mind. You have continually focused on
the
NISH (notion in someone's head) and given practically no attention to
how that
is conveyed between parties. You just declare that an Andean shepherd
said
"Cleopatra" and the remote western Chinese guy thought of foopgoom.
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Michael Brady
