As a playwright I can testify that something I'm working on can morph so much during its gestation that the only thing from the beginning of the writing that remains at the end (sometimes years later) is the names of the characters. Many novelists talk about "finding" the book they want to write -- as they write it. I'm keenly aware of how different this is from Mando's experience.
In a message dated 1/13/13 1:57:17 AM, [email protected] writes: > As I'm working on a new sculpture, creating something that is made up > of > many forms that relate to each, the initial rough sketch must give me an > aesthetic experience before i continue with it, As i clarify the forms > relation > to each to each other, i try not to loose what the sketch dictated > in the original > overall look,even if I began to feel that it is not correct. > At this point i go by > my first aesthetic experience as my guide with slight > compromises as we dance > to its completion. And all,just for the pleasure it > gives me. > > > I can under imagine how other forms of art may be created this > way. > > ab > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, January > 12, 2013 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: Can art exist without authority? > > I think the > aesthetic experience might be a byproduct of making things > for whatever reason > you make them-making sense of the world, describing > something or other. > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheerskep <[email protected]> > To: > aesthetics-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm > Subject: Re: Can art exist without authority? > > The vagueness still obtains. > "Can art exist without patrons?" can be > read > as, "Would the activity of > "artists" continue -- painting, writing, > singing > -- if there were no one to > pay them for it? (I myself believe it > would.) > > Or it could be read as > asking, "Would the (imaginary) ontic quality, > "artness" still exist (say, up > in Plato's heaven) if there were no > contemplators > of paintings, poems, etc > cheering the creators on and pronouncing, > "That is a > work of art!" > > For > someone like me, that question is so muddled as to be worthless. > For my > purposes, I'd rephrase it like this: "If no one were paying for works, > and > no > one were cheering the creators on, would creators continue to create > works > that would occasion in me what I call an "aesthetic experience"?" > > Yes, I > think they would. > > But I can imagine another lister, burdened with confused > notions of > "what > IS art", saying my remarks are irrelevant. "The question is, > would the > works > continue to BE "art". " Oy. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/12/13 > 1:55:12 PM, [email protected] writes: > > > > The topic seems to have changed to > "can art exist without patrons?" > > Clarification of "art" might be the thing > which is wanted by patrons > to > > the point where they will give other useful > things for the thing. > > Kate Sullivan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > Cheerskep <[email protected]> > > To: aesthetics-l > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 11:42 am > > Subject: > Re: Can art exist without authority? > > > > The topic here -- 'Can art exist > without authority' -- is so vague, so > > ambiguous, that anyone who tries to > grapple with it in its unclear > > formulation > > is liable to be entrapped into > blurry generalities as Saul is (below). > > The > > clarification might start with > the notion behind the word 'art' there. > > Are we > > to think of "art" as an > activity? A vast collection of physical works? > > An > > (imaginary) ontic > quality, "artness", which, when a given work "has" > it, > > makes that work a > "work of art"? > > > > > > In a message dated 1/12/13 10:50:27 AM, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > > art exist within its histories and those > histories are sustained by > > > various > > > validating structures > (institutions) - the primary function of these > > being > > > to maintain the > notion that such a thing as art exists
